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YOTHN said:
I said possible lottery picks. Not sure whats so funny considering we've had 3 lottery picks the last 3 years and UNC has had.......0? Yet here we stand, in the exact same position.
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Hahahahhahahahahahahahhaah I'm a possible lottery pick too. Good luck on Friday...hope the "best PG in the land", Yogi Bear, comes to play. You have two lottery picks and the best PG in the land, UNC is in for a world of hurt. LMFAO!

P.S. The DEFINITE lottery pick, Brice Johnson, will put up his 20 and 10 this weekend. Believe that.
 
TARRRRRHEEEEEELS said:
Hahahahhahahahahahahahhaah I'm a possible lottery pick too. Good luck on Friday...hope the "best PG in the land", Yogi Bear, comes to play. You have two lottery picks and the best PG in the land, UNC is in for a world of hurt. LMFAO!

P.S. The DEFINITE lottery pick, Brice Johnson, will put up his 20 and 10 this weekend. Believe that.
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Brice is a good player so it's very possible he could do that. Ulis put up 27 and UK fell 6 short so....
 
uncfan in ky said:
It's weird you choose those exact numbers... I get the 8 titles to 5 titles but what's weird is that UK fans said the only way in hell IU beat them was because its was 8 vs 5.
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I can understand the confusion because a lot of guys were getting open looks so it sure seemed like we had 8 guys out there. It's just the crisp passing.
 
dgheel57 said:
I just hope the Heels win or us Mods will be very busy come saturday morning.:eek:
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LOL here's the thing. If an IU fan comes over and claims the program is now better than UNC's because of the win, then they deserve to be banned. Obviously a national title by either program would end up putting one above the other in that category but UNC has many more final fours. So I don't think Indiana would move past UNC even with a title.
 
The win over Kentucky was good especially since the Wildcats have a tremendous backcourt and that is the difference. UNC has BOTH a tremendous backcourt and front court.
 
Give me the offense we played against Miami and the defense against Notre Dame (two of the final 16 by the way) and I like our chances to win
 
Bubspub88 said:
Give me the offense we played against Miami and the defense against Notre Dame (two of the final 16 by the way) and I like our chances to win
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Give us our offense vs Notre Dame and defense vs Wisconsin and both offense and defense vs Maryland (all in the final 16) and I like our chances. Don't give us any offense or defense (or timeouts or pre-game warmups...etc) from the Duke game though.....
 
YOTHN said:
I said possible lottery picks. Not sure whats so funny considering we've had 3 lottery picks the last 3 years and UNC has had.......0? Yet here we stand, in the exact same position.
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Cool story
 
YOTHN said:
Virginia and Oregon are really good teams but I wouldn't consider in the top tier. I'd have rather faced those teams than UK.
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This may be the dumbest post on this whole thread. UVa not in the top tier?? Have y'all progressed past rabbit ears yet? Watch some games outside of B10 dude!!
 
gobblercalls said:
This may be the dumbest post on this whole thread. UVa not in the top tier?? Have y'all progressed past rabbit ears yet? Watch some games outside of B10 dude!!
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I saw them many times, wasn't impressed. They are no different than Tony's teams at WSU and his dads teams at Wisconsin. Good teams but never truly the best. Top tier defensive team for sure but that's about where I draw the line.

If you don't believe me, look at the vegas odds for national champion. Even WITH a 1 seed they still weren't considered a top 4 contender. Vegas had
Kansas
MSU
NC
Villanova
Virginia
UK
Oregon

Can't say I'm too far off by saying I would put UK in front of Virginia. It looks like you need to watch some bball outside of the ACC my friend. ;)
 
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YOTHN said:
I saw them many times, wasn't impressed. They are no different than Tony's teams at WSU and his dads teams at Wisconsin. Good teams but never truly the best. Top tier defensive team for sure but that's about where I draw the line.

If you don't believe me, look at the vegas odds for national champion. Even WITH a 1 seed they still weren't considered a top 4 contender. Vegas had
Kansas
MSU
NC
Villanova
Virginia
UK
Oregon

Can't say I'm too far off by saying I would put UK in front of Virginia. It looks like you need to watch some bball outside of the ACC my friend. ;)
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You've changed from UVa not being top tier to now saying they are not a top 4! That's mighty convenient for you trying to defend your original statement. So one of the top 5 Vegas picks out of 68 is not top tier? Looks like you need to watch some, oh never mind. Too late.
 
gobblercalls said:
You've changed from UVa not being top tier to now saying they are not a top 4! That's mighty convenient for you trying to defend your original statement. So one of the top 5 Vegas picks out of 68 is not top tier? Looks like you need to watch some, oh never mind. Too late.
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No, I was simply showing you that VA wasn't listed as a top tier team. To me that would be top 3 or 4. I would take UK and Villanova ahead of Virginia but that's just my personal opinion.
 
YOTHN said:
No, I was simply showing you that VA wasn't listed as a top tier team. To me that would be top 3 or 4. I would take UK and Villanova ahead of Virginia but that's just my personal opinion.
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You had UK as top tier team?
 
YOTHN said:
No, I was simply showing you that VA wasn't listed as a top tier team. To me that would be top 3 or 4. I would take UK and Villanova ahead of Virginia but that's just my personal opinion.
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UVA would beat down UK and Nova like a red-headed.....well, they'd beat both bad. Neither are disciplined enough to play on either end at UVA's pace. I was pleasantly surprised that we (UNC) were.
 
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YOTHN said:
You keep saying you "respect Indiana". That's a given, every team respects other teams. I respect Davidson and they could somehow upset us if we were to play them this year.......but not likely. I respect North Carolina and I believe they are a top team which is why I put them #3. You agreed that UNC isn't the favorite to win the title by saying you too saw they were number 3 as well. So where was I wrong in saying UNC hasn't been the favorite let alone heavy favorite all season. Pre-season rankings mean absolutely nothing. Joe Lunardi picked Indiana to win it all in the pre-season so does that mean we are the heavy favorites?

Again I will repeat myself. I understand how spreads work. The seeding can alter peoples opinions which then would result in people putting more money towards the perceived favorite which then....say it with me......raises the spread for the perceived heavy favorite. If IU was a 2 seed playing UNC, the line would be considerably closer, so the spread is incredibly influenced by the seeding. Just indirectly. So believe what you want, I'm merely giving you the reasoning why IU fans have been defensive. My whole point was that I hope UNC players think we're good and not great. That works heavily in our favor so by all means, continue as you were.
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When did I say I felt we were #3, I believe UNC is one of the 3 teams favored to win this whole thing, that is not the same as saying I think we are 3rd on that list? I mean, if I am ranking them I put us as the favorite to win it but that is not saying we will. Look, was there anyone outside of Wisconsin's fan base that really believed any team other than Ky was not going to win it all last season? Is there any serious person outside of duke fans that really believed duke would and Ky would not?

In the same ilk that you would respect Davidson fans for feeling they could beat IU, by the way you have framed things you would be arrogant in saying no, that IU would clearly be the better team going in.You would in essence be guilty of the same thing you accuse us of being.
 
YOTHN said:
I saw them many times, wasn't impressed. They are no different than Tony's teams at WSU and his dads teams at Wisconsin. Good teams but never truly the best. Top tier defensive team for sure but that's about where I draw the line.

If you don't believe me, look at the vegas odds for national champion. Even WITH a 1 seed they still weren't considered a top 4 contender. Vegas had
Kansas
MSU
NC
Villanova
Virginia
UK
Oregon

Can't say I'm too far off by saying I would put UK in front of Virginia. It looks like you need to watch some bball outside of the ACC my friend. ;)
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Is Vegas still taking MSU as having a better chance at cutting down the final nets than UVa, does Ky have a better chance than UVa? Doubt they do...LOL

The thing about Uva is games they play are just not pretty games, they are slug fests, they are UGLY games. Folks don't tend to see the team that wants to ugly game ya as all that good. Things is, until your team plays them it is really hard to really see how good they actually are. If UVa played Kansas tomorrow I would not wager a penny on a winner, to me that game and same would be true if we played either, game would be a push, should be a even pickem game for homers only to bet.

I felt when IU played Ky that IU was the clear favorite or at least should have been because that Ky team was flawed and I personally feel IU has a far better bench coach. Most did not agree with me, pretty sure most IU fans did. Point is I do not under estimate IU and I darn sure know better than to under estimate UVa cause yeah, I think they beat Indiana by double digits. Uva is by far the best defensive team we have played this season and the second best is miles behind and losing ground.

By the way, UNC has played a strong schedule and we have faced a heck of a lot of talented players and IMO the best player we have faced this entire season is Malcolm Brogdon.
 
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YOTHN said:
I said possible lottery picks. Not sure whats so funny considering we've had 3 lottery picks the last 3 years and UNC has had.......0? Yet here we stand, in the exact same position.
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Well that's a convenient time frame to pick. Lets lengthen that by a few years and I'm sure the scoreboard will tip the other way.

YOTHN said:
If you don't believe me, look at the vegas odds for national champion.
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This is the true ROFL post of the thread (when combined with an earlier post of yours). You claim earlier that Vegas lines don't tell the whole story because they can be manipulated by people betting on one side, swinging the line in their favor. While that is true to some degree you overstate it; people don't just say "oh look a higher seeded team, let me just throw my life savings on them regardless of the spread because gosh darn it they're gonna cover anything right?". And then even if there were enough yahoos that were throwing money around willy nilly without a clue of the true percentages/odds - there is what is called "smart money" which would swoop in and hammer the underdog at a now much more advantageous line, thus moving it back to an equilibrium.

But then a few posts after making that statement, you then reference the Vegas odds to try to prove your point on Virginia. Saying that since they weren't a top 4 team odds-wise to begin the tournament (even though they are top 4 remaining since MSU has since been bounced) that means they aren't top tier. So not only are you wrong on both counts - but you can't even seem to figure out if you want to use Vegas odds as evidence or not. Take a seat dude, before you hurt yourself.
 
DSouthr said:
Well first, don't know that I would say oregon as a 1 seed was wrong, I can understand the selection committee wanting a 1 seed out of the west and Oregon was a decent pick if you feel you have to have a 1 seed from the west. West of the Mississippi there are not a ton of great choices thou Okey may have been the best outside of Kansas west of the mississippi. And of course if the competition in that geographic region is weak then those teams from that area are going to dive an over all weaker bracket.

Harpy, I got to call you in check on one issue, after a brief check in on your IU site I notice that you and many of your IU buds not only do not like UNC being a #1 seed but do not like that we are in this tourney in the first place? Your words do follow you, I stand by mine no mater where I say them, know what I mean. Now I get it, you guys do not want to lose this next game, we don't want to lose it either. I think anyone that has watched both teams play knows that UNC is maybe the last team in this tourney IU wanted to see at any point but most especially this early.

Now that does not mean we can not be beaten, UNC fans have seen games where we just came out not having the intensity level we need to have to play the way this team is capable of playing, we lost several of our games because we took our foot off the accellerator before we should have, see NI, duke, Texas, ND losses right off the top of my head. IMO, the hardest game we have lost this season was against UVa at their place but IMO UVa is one of the 3 best teams in the country, all 3 of those teams are still in this tourney.


So yeah we can be beat but to do so I honestly do believe a lot will have to go wrong for us, meaning we bring our C game and a lot has to go right for you guys. Stuff like that not only happens but has happened several times already in this NCAAT. Many of us, myself included didn't feel we would be playing Ky in this tourney because we felt you guys would beat them so it is not as if we dismiss IU as un-worthy or unable to win this game. I think it will be a great game and I think it should be the friday night featured game rather than the tip off being buried at 10pm just so some west coasters can see it earlier.

There is plenty of respect for IU and its program here, it is not as if we go out of our way to say bad things about IU basketball so I am more than a lil disappointed to see the lack of respect for UNC when I check out what your fans think on your boards.
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You can call me what and whenever you like.....You won't find any post by me that questions the talent or
DSouthr said:
Well first, don't know that I would say oregon as a 1 seed was wrong, I can understand the selection committee wanting a 1 seed out of the west and Oregon was a decent pick if you feel you have to have a 1 seed from the west. West of the Mississippi there are not a ton of great choices thou Okey may have been the best outside of Kansas west of the mississippi. And of course if the competition in that geographic region is weak then those teams from that area are going to dive an over all weaker bracket.

Harpy, I got to call you in check on one issue, after a brief check in on your IU site I notice that you and many of your IU buds not only do not like UNC being a #1 seed but do not like that we are in this tourney in the first place? Your words do follow you, I stand by mine no mater where I say them, know what I mean. Now I get it, you guys do not want to lose this next game, we don't want to lose it either. I think anyone that has watched both teams play knows that UNC is maybe the last team in this tourney IU wanted to see at any point but most especially this early.

Now that does not mean we can not be beaten, UNC fans have seen games where we just came out not having the intensity level we need to have to play the way this team is capable of playing, we lost several of our games because we took our foot off the accellerator before we should have, see NI, duke, Texas, ND losses right off the top of my head. IMO, the hardest game we have lost this season was against UVa at their place but IMO UVa is one of the 3 best teams in the country, all 3 of those teams are still in this tourney.

So yeah we can be beat but to do so I honestly do believe a lot will have to go wrong for us, meaning we bring our C game and a lot has to go right for you guys. Stuff like that not only happens but has happened several times already in this NCAAT. Many of us, myself included didn't feel we would be playing Ky in this tourney because we felt you guys would beat them so it is not as if we dismiss IU as un-worthy or unable to win this game. I think it will be a great game and I think it should be the friday night featured game rather than the tip off being buried at 10pm just so some west coasters can see it earlier.

There is plenty of respect for IU and its program here, it is not as if we go out of our way to say bad things about IU basketball so I am more than a lil disappointed to see the lack of respect for UNC when I check out what your fans think on your boards.
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my computer locked up and my reply to a previous poster was blown apart.....The poster suggested that I at some point on an IU board....or any board...I said that UNC did not deserve a 1 seed or something to that affect. DSouther......please support that assertion in any way you can.....It won't be possible. I not only have not suggested that UNC is not deserving of a 1 seed...I would question any poster who argued otherwise....You won't find it because it isn't there.
 
there should not be any anger attached to this contest.....This is as good as it gets competition wise.....a very dynamic and exciting matchup.....two programs that have been to the mountain top many times before....like it....be happy.

I've lived over twenty of my years in North Carolina...I go way back to the Billy Packer and Tom Thacker days......when Lefty Dresell was around...and that USC coach that used to coach UNC...what was his name? Frank McGuire? That was a serious rivalry.....USC vs. UNC.....Those were rockin times in the ACC.
 
DSouthr said:
When did I say I felt we were #3, I believe UNC is one of the 3 teams favored to win this whole thing, that is not the same as saying I think we are 3rd on that list? I mean, if I am ranking them I put us as the favorite to win it but that is not saying we will. Look, was there anyone outside of Wisconsin's fan base that really believed any team other than Ky was not going to win it all last season? Is there any serious person outside of duke fans that really believed duke would and Ky would not?

In the same ilk that you would respect Davidson fans for feeling they could beat IU, by the way you have framed things you would be arrogant in saying no, that IU would clearly be the better team going in.You would in essence be guilty of the same thing you accuse us of being.
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No I'm not accusing anyone of anything. I just expected you guys thought it was an even match-up and was just a little surprised to see that UNC thought they were heavy favorites. If Davidson came over and said they were equal, I would then go into a friendly debate but not be offended and say they know nothing about basketball. It's all about a fun discussion and you guys obviously think highly of your Heels.
 
Harpo Marxist said:
my computer locked up and my reply to a previous poster was blown apart.....The poster suggested that I at some point on an IU board....or any board...I said that UNC did not deserve a 1 seed or something to that affect. DSouther......please support that assertion in any way you can.....It won't be possible. I not only have not suggested that UNC is not deserving of a 1 seed...I would question any poster who argued otherwise....You won't find it because it isn't there.
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I too said I have them as the 3rd favorite to win the title which would mean they're a 1 seed so who knows? Technically since state is gone, I have UNC just below Kansas as the slight favorite. I truly think the winner of this game represents this side of the bracket in the national title game.
 
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