I come in peace.

[YOTHN]

Well that's a convenient time frame to pick. Lets lengthen that by a few years and I'm sure the scoreboard will tip the other way.



This is the true ROFL post of the thread (when combined with an earlier post of yours). You claim earlier that Vegas lines don't tell the whole story because they can be manipulated by people betting on one side, swinging the line in their favor. While that is true to some degree you overstate it; people don't just say "oh look a higher seeded team, let me just throw my life savings on them regardless of the spread because gosh darn it they're gonna cover anything right?". And then even if there were enough yahoos that were throwing money around willy nilly without a clue of the true percentages/odds - there is what is called "smart money" which would swoop in and hammer the underdog at a now much more advantageous line, thus moving it back to an equilibrium.

But then a few posts after making that statement, you then reference the Vegas odds to try to prove your point on Virginia. Saying that since they weren't a top 4 team odds-wise to begin the tournament (even though they are top 4 remaining since MSU has since been bounced) that means they aren't top tier. So not only are you wrong on both counts - but you can't even seem to figure out if you want to use Vegas odds as evidence or not. Take a seat dude, before you hurt yourself.

You obviously aren't reading what I said very clearly. I said having a 1 seed will cause people to consider that team the favorite regardless of whether that team was better. Seeing a 1 v 5 like this is going to lean toward a heavy favorite. We deserved a 2 or 3 seed and if we had that I can guarantee the spread wouldn't be 6pts.

When using the vegas odds in reference to Virginia, it proved my point against Virginia even more. Virginia is a 1 seed (which would favor it to have better odds of winning the title because more people would be willing to bet Virginia than they would if they were a 2 seed). Yet they were STILL not in the top 4. A 2 seed surpassed them. That was why I brought that up so does that help clarify my point?

As for the draft picks, I wasn't going to go any further back because then it would defeat the purpose of my argument.

 

[Bubspub88]

. Seeing a 1 v 5 like this is going to lean toward a heavy favorite. We deserved a 2 or 3 seed and if we had that I can guarantee the spread wouldn't be 6pts.

Pretty sure the guys making odds are not looking at the seed only the perceived abilities of the teams. If a team is favored it is because those guys that handicap for a living see that as the point differential between those two teams and not as the difference between a 1 seed and 5 seed

 

[YOTHN]

Let's Go Tar Heels!!

Those hops on the GIF in your signature are impressive indeed.

 

[YOTHN]

Pretty sure the guys making odds are not looking at the seed only the perceived abilities of the teams. If a team is favored it is because those guys that handicap for a living see that as the point differential between those two teams and not as the difference between a 1 seed and 5 seed

lol So now betting has no effect on the odds? Surely a UNC fan can explain how odds work for Mr. Bubs? Spreads are made and fluctuate depending upon the betting my friend.

 

[YOTHN]

IU has lottery picks on their team? LMAO.

According to CBS Indiana has by far better NBA draft potential than UNC in this matchup. The top prospect and 3 of the top 4 highest rated picks from our teams combined come from Indiana. 4 of the top 6 come from Indiana. *disclaimer* this means very little on the outcome of this game. Just making a point that the talent isn't as far removed as a lot (not all) seem to think.

Indiana prospects: C Thomas Bryant (No. 20), F O.G. Anunoby (No. 62), PG Yogi Ferrell (No.66), G/F Troy Williams (No. 78), G Robert Johnson (NR)

North Carolina prospects: PF Brice Johnson (No. 33), G/F Justin Jackson (No. 70), PG Marcus Paige (No. 91), Isaiah Hicks (No. 124), Joel Berry (NR), Kennedy Meeks (NR), Theo Pinson (NR)

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...-which-prospects-to-watch-for-in-the-sweet-16

 

[uncfan in ky]

Im really confused... Looking at the cbs link the IU poster above gave, I found position rankings. We've been told that Yogi is HANDS DOWN the best PG in college basketball. Why then does CBS have him ranked 10th?
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings

Let me answer my own question.... These cbs rankings are CRAP... These are NBA draft potential rankings. Just look at the PF rankings. Any list that has Skal 6 spots in front of Brice isn't worth a damn !!!!!!

 

[YOTHN]

Im really confused... Looking at the cbs link the IU poster above gave, I found position rankings. We've been told that Yogi is HANDS DOWN the best PG in college basketball. Why then does CBS have him ranked 10th?
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings

Let me answer my own question.... These cbs rankings are CRAP... These are NBA draft potential rankings. Just look at the PF rankings. Any list that has Skal 6 spots in front of Brice isn't worth a damn !!!!!!

Yogi is a great PG. There are a short list of players who are just as equally good. Yogi's game doesn't translate to the NBA as well as other PG's as height is valued more in the NBA. I definitely don't think Yogi is hands down the best PG in college bball. I think that's what some UNC fans have began to twist comments to make the narrative and make a slant at IU at the same time. So be it, that's on you.

As for the cbs rankings.....I was just showing an arbitrary ranking that has nothing to do with IU to show you that the talent from a national perspective isn't as far off as some posters have implied. Truth hurts sometimes.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

lol So now betting has no effect on the odds? Surely a UNC fan can explain how odds work for Mr. Bubs? Spreads are made and fluctuate depending upon the betting my friend.

Bubs was spot on. When oddsmakers set the odds, they don't care about the seeds at all. If they believe a lower seed will win, or at least take more action, they'll make them a favorite. Gonzaga is a favorite this week, as have been other lower seeds in this tournament, and in past tournaments as well. By setting the lines where they did, they are telling you that the public (i.e. the aggregate of all opinions - the majority opinion) believe UNC is 6.5 points better, and will win slightly over 2 of every 3 times they play. If you don't agree with the consensus/majority opinion that's fine - but that doesn't change the fact that it's the majority opinion.

 

[Sk1310]

You obviously aren't reading what I said very clearly. I said having a 1 seed will cause people to consider that team the favorite regardless of whether that team was better. Seeing a 1 v 5 like this is going to lean toward a heavy favorite. We deserved a 2 or 3 seed and if we had that I can guarantee the spread wouldn't be 6pts.

When using the vegas odds in reference to Virginia, it proved my point against Virginia even more. Virginia is a 1 seed (which would favor it to have better odds of winning the title because more people would be willing to bet Virginia than they would if they were a 2 seed). Yet they were STILL not in the top 4. A 2 seed surpassed them. That was why I brought that up so does that help clarify my point?

As for the draft picks, I wasn't going to go any further back because then it would defeat the purpose of my argument.

All you do is beat around the bush. Then when you get questioned on what you said, you beat around the bush more. Give a straight answer. If you think UNC was deserving of a 1 seed, then say it the first time you get questioned. If you think UK is elite, just say it. Do you do this to your BF/husband?

 

[TARRRRRHEEEEEELS]

According to CBS Indiana has by far better NBA draft potential than UNC in this matchup. The top prospect and 3 of the top 4 highest rated picks from our teams combined come from Indiana. 4 of the top 6 come from Indiana. *disclaimer* this means very little on the outcome of this game. Just making a point that the talent isn't as far removed as a lot (not all) seem to think.

Indiana prospects: C Thomas Bryant (No. 20), F O.G. Anunoby (No. 62), PG Yogi Ferrell (No.66), G/F Troy Williams (No. 78), G Robert Johnson (NR)

North Carolina prospects: PF Brice Johnson (No. 33), G/F Justin Jackson (No. 70), PG Marcus Paige (No. 91), Isaiah Hicks (No. 124), Joel Berry (NR), Kennedy Meeks (NR), Theo Pinson (NR)

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...-which-prospects-to-watch-for-in-the-sweet-16

Isiah Hicks at #124? Great rankings haha.

 

[randman1]

My sense is this will be the Heels toughest game prior to the championship game, meaning IF we win, we'll likely be in the final.

Hope Roy is willing to do change things up a bit with some zone defenses sometimes, different line-ups and aggressively throw Indiana's offense off. We've been winning with outstanding defense. If we can take that up a notch with some more defensive in-game strategy, the Heels can go all the way.

This game should be interesting in that regard. Hope Roy will make the right calls and give our guys an extra edge.

 

[UNC_Blue]

If your Hoosiers want to run with Carolina,we'll see who has the legs at the end.

That is the part that blows my mind. I went to the IU board to discuss the game, and there were a couple of IU fans that were belligerent about how UNC has zero chance if we "run" at all with them. That our only chance was to play UVa ball and slow it down on them.

I tried pointing out, as did other Heel fans, that no one runs like UNC... all that did was make them puff their chests out and want to fight about it. They tried offering up the 2012 game as proof, ignoring that fact that our whole team had just went pro a few months earlier, that we had underclassmen and scrubs going against their upperclassmen top 10 talent. Mouth "Desmond Hubert was our starting center" over and over...

I am sure they like to run, but if they beat us by running, it will be the first time ANY team has done it during the Roy Williams era. ( we weren't beaten by running in 2012, we were beat by a huge talent gap )

 

[UNC_Blue]

IU got hosed with a 5 seed. Big 10 regular season champs

Without a doubt they did. It makes one wonder.

 

[UNC_Blue]

Good to see that the Tombstone is still alive and very active. If Kentucky had won the Tombstone would have shown up early Saturday evening...

Uggh, the bad IU posters are saints compared to the trailer trash from UK.

 

[UNC_Blue]

I don't think he's claiming IU is an NBA All star team but that they are very much capable of beating UNC IF UNC doesn't come to play their best. UNC plays to their potential and they should win.

To be fair, if IU comes out hitting every 3 they throw up, it will get dicey as well.

 

[UNC_Blue]

the only undeserving 1 seed is Oregon...they were then gifted with the easiest region of opponents. Having said that....I can't find any IU fans who are arguing that UNC is not and should not be a 1 seed. There is some frustrating passion in HoosierNation....Fortunately for you UNC fans...you don't fully understand it..you haven't been there...yet. You got a taste when Doherty was at UNC....but your powers that be didn't tolerate mediocre basketball....We have.

Its been far too long since IU was in the national conversation on a regular basis. That is a very, very sore spot for IU fans. We gave up the catbird seat to MSU in the conference years ago. And , we don't like it. So some of our fans are letting off the steam in silly ways. UNC might as well be the title game...the level of opposition couldn't be greater for IU right now. We're the dogs....and frankly, we usually are against UNC if you look back. We were slight favorites when you came to Bloomington a few years ago...before that....just take a look. UNC was usually favored against us...so that isn't an unfamiliar dynamic against the Heels. What I take from that is that UNC is capable of underperforming, and IU is capable of overachieving. We need one or the other to win. UNC under normal circumstances will win this game.

UNC is definitely favored...but an IU win won't be a stunning upset.

Serious question for you, and other IU fans, do you honestly feel that Crean is the coach to take IU back to blueblood status?

 

[UNC_Blue]

No it's definitely equal footing. My whole original point was that the 5 seed vs 1 is going to give Vegas and fans alike the thought that there's separation in talent when there truly isn't any. Feel free to fall for it but just ask UK. Vegas gave IU 4pts when UK apparently needed 6. 3 Mickey D's, and two possible lottery picks is an immense amount of talent

Let's be honest, IU shouldn't have been a 5 seed.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Serious question for you, and other IU fans, do you honestly feel that Crean is the coach to take IU back to blueblood status?

current season notwithstanding......no. I am on record many times with the view that IU needs to move on. We will see how this season plays out. But the NCAAs are replete with coaches who have an occasional deep run....but fade due to lack of consistency. This is one season...that isn't enough to solidify any coach at a "blue blood" program.

 

[YOTHN]

All you do is beat around the bush. Then when you get questioned on what you said, you beat around the bush more. Give a straight answer. If you think UNC was deserving of a 1 seed, then say it the first time you get questioned. If you think UK is elite, just say it. Do you do this to your BF/husband?

Huh? Was that a homophobic slant? After being called an @$$. Where are the moderators?

Secondly, I said UNC was the 3rd best team. There are 4 one seeds, no? If you go back and read my posts you will also see that I said UNC was definitely a 1 seed. So I'm sorry if that's too difficult to understand but I don't think anyone would say I have been beating around any bush. UK isn't elite but was better than Virginia. This isn't very hard to understand.

 

[YOTHN]

Serious question for you, and other IU fans, do you honestly feel that Crean is the coach to take IU back to blueblood status?

You would think having more Big Ten titles than any other big ten coach since coming to Indiana (including the 3 sub. 500 rebuilding years) would be enough for most to say yes. I mean thats more than Izzo and Bo Ryan had. But having 2 down years (1 without NCAA invite) between the 3 sweet 16's (and no further) its had IU fans questioning him. Some still want him gone.

Personally, I am still on the wait and see approach. He has 1 FF with Dwayne Wade at Marquette. Nothing else since. Indiana is rich in HS talent (as UNC can attest) so the opportunity to be dominant is definitely there so the standard for the IU coach is set pretty high by a lot of people.

 

[YOTHN]

That is the part that blows my mind. I went to the IU board to discuss the game, and there were a couple of IU fans that were belligerent about how UNC has zero chance if we "run" at all with them. That our only chance was to play UVa ball and slow it down on them.

I tried pointing out, as did other Heel fans, that no one runs like UNC... all that did was make them puff their chests out and want to fight about it. They tried offering up the 2012 game as proof, ignoring that fact that our whole team had just went pro a few months earlier, that we had underclassmen and scrubs going against their upperclassmen top 10 talent. Mouth "Desmond Hubert was our starting center" over and over...

I am sure they like to run, but if they beat us by running, it will be the first time ANY team has done it during the Roy Williams era. ( we weren't beaten by running in 2012, we were beat by a huge talent gap )

You will find that talk on the IU forum simply because Indiana too is at it's best when its able to run up and down the court. Indiana doesn't miss open 3's and when they get a lot of transition open 3's, the game is over. So you will find IU fans that think IU wouldn't lose to a team willing to try and run with them trading twos for threes. Just like UNC fans feel the same way about their team.

What UNC has is length to go with quickness from their post who obviously make it easier to finish when they get to the bucket. UNC has your prototypical slashing offense that most teams try to replicate but hardly ever duplicate. If IU wasn't able to shoot as well as they do then UNC would have it hands down. Not to say they don't anyways but thats why you will find IU fans (especially ones that don't know much about UNC) believing a fast game will be in Indianas favor.

 

[YOTHN]

Bubs was spot on. When oddsmakers set the odds, they don't care about the seeds at all. If they believe a lower seed will win, or at least take more action, they'll make them a favorite. Gonzaga is a favorite this week, as have been other lower seeds in this tournament, and in past tournaments as well. By setting the lines where they did, they are telling you that the public (i.e. the aggregate of all opinions - the majority opinion) believe UNC is 6.5 points better, and will win slightly over 2 of every 3 times they play. If you don't agree with the consensus/majority opinion that's fine - but that doesn't change the fact that it's the majority opinion.

So you are now on record saying that live betting has NO effect on the odds? ha Interesting. Everything I know about sports betting has been a lie.

 

[DSouthr]

According to CBS Indiana has by far better NBA draft potential than UNC in this matchup. The top prospect and 3 of the top 4 highest rated picks from our teams combined come from Indiana. 4 of the top 6 come from Indiana. *disclaimer* this means very little on the outcome of this game. Just making a point that the talent isn't as far removed as a lot (not all) seem to think.

Indiana prospects: C Thomas Bryant (No. 20), F O.G. Anunoby (No. 62), PG Yogi Ferrell (No.66), G/F Troy Williams (No. 78), G Robert Johnson (NR)

North Carolina prospects: PF Brice Johnson (No. 33), G/F Justin Jackson (No. 70), PG Marcus Paige (No. 91), Isaiah Hicks (No. 124), Joel Berry (NR), Kennedy Meeks (NR), Theo Pinson (NR)

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...-which-prospects-to-watch-for-in-the-sweet-16

Then by this UNC should be considered the strong under dawg in this match up? Considering how, in your words, "According to CBS Indiana has by far better NBA draft potential than UNC in this match up."

Well I guess we tar Heel fans should all go hide and pray we can find a tree tall enough for the length of rope we have? I guess we have zero chance of winning this game and no reason we should think we can, not if the always 100% accurate CBS says the talent gap is so huge in IU's favor....

So tell me boss, do ya think we can at least keep that IU beat down on us friday night to under 20pts? Have ya told Vegas about this, they don't seem to know, the millions that will be bet on this game need to know how bad IU is going to beat UNC so those odds can be adjusted.

What ya think, IU + 23 seem about right for ya? Hey, I do not gamble but we do have a couple guys here that do, my buddy bleedin for one and he is a sucker for UNC. I bet ya you get get him to take a few hundred on UNC and only have to give him 15pts, maybe for a grand he may be willing to move it to Indiana winning by 10, which should be a EASY cover for ya. Want to make a easy $1,000 !

 

[YOTHN]

Then by this UNC should be considered the strong under dawg in this match up? Considering how, in your words, "According to CBS Indiana has by far better NBA draft potential than UNC in this match up."

Well I guess we tar Heel fans should all go hide and pray we can find a tree tall enough for the length of rope we have? I guess we have zero chance of winning this game and no reason we should think we can, not if the always 100% accurate CBS says the talent gap is so huge in IU's favor....

So tell me boss, do ya think we can at least keep that IU beat down on us friday night to under 20pts? Have ya told Vegas about this, they don't seem to know, the millions that will be bet on this game need to know how bad IU is going to beat UNC so those odds can be adjusted.

What ya think, IU + 23 seem about right for ya? Hey, I do not gamble but we do have a couple guys here that do, my buddy bleedin for one and he is a sucker for UNC. I bet ya you get get him to take a few hundred on UNC and only have to give him 15pts, maybe for a grand he may be willing to move it to Indiana winning by 10, which should be a EASY cover for ya. Want to make a easy $1,000 !

ha See how you twisted that up. An IU fan earlier said Yogi was better than Dunn but according to most here that was a ridiculous statement simply because of Dunn's NBA prospect status. So when the table is turned and we show IU's draft prospects look to be higher than UNC, now you take the other side of the arguement. Which one is it?

I will say it again. It's an evenly matched game. Continue to take offense, call names and make outlandish comments but I will continue to repeat that it's an evenly matched game. Sorry about your luck.

 

[uncfan in ky]

I'm the one that said Dunn was better than Yogi. I never said he's better because of NBA potential... He was better yesterday.... He's better today.... & he'll be better tomorrow. He's just better than Yogi!

 

[YOTHN]

I'm the one that said Dunn was better than Yogi. I never said he's better because of NBA potential... He was better yesterday.... He's better today.... & he'll be better tomorrow. He's just better than Yogi!

Which is fine because I agree but that wasn't the arguement earlier.

 

[Heelicious]

So you are now on record saying that live betting has NO effect on the odds? ha Interesting. Everything I know about sports betting has been a lie.

No Heels fan on this board has EVER said that. They only said SEEDING (and SEEDING does not equal betting or odds).....SEEDING in no way effects odds or betting.

Betting drives odds, and odds drive betting but SEEDING is nowhere in the picture. Nowhere. Ever. Period.

Best example: about 3 years ago I think, Wichita State went undefeated in the regular season, and got a 1 seed. But they hadn't really played much if any tough competition during the year. Kentucky was an 8 seed, who had just come on at the end of the year to make the tourney. UK likely had 6-8 NBA guys on their roster, WSU had 0-1 NBA guys.

It was an unfair matchup for WSU by the Selection Committee, but point is: just because WSU was a 1, and UK was an 8, didn't drive WSU to being favored. I am positive UK was favored in the Vegas line. People setting lines and betting could not care less about the SEEDING number in front of a team. They compare what talent the teams have, how the teams have competed against good competition recently, and use that info to assess who has the best chance to win, by how much. But I can assure you, they NEVER enter into a thought process of: "well, I kinda like IU better in this game, and I'd favor them if they were a 2 SEED, but since they are a 5 seed, I'm gonna make UNC a 5.5 point favorite". That sort of lack of logic is laughable and would put a bookie out of business in one weekend.

 

[coryfly]

Huh? Was that a homophobic slant? After being called an @$$. Where are the moderators?

Secondly, I said UNC was the 3rd best team. There are 4 one seeds, no? If you go back and read my posts you will also see that I said UNC was definitely a 1 seed. So I'm sorry if that's too difficult to understand but I don't think anyone would say I have been beating around any bush. UK isn't elite but was better than Virginia. This isn't very hard to understand.

UK is a good team that played in a below average conference. The hype UK received was partly due to looking good against subpar competition late in the season and also to what Cal has done recently. They are most definitely not a better team than UVA. I don't think any reasonable fan believes this. I have missed some of the discussion though so maybe you were talking about last year or something. UK was a dangerous team for sure though. I would have much rather played them than IU because I think the Hoosiers are more difficult to guard.

Some people are giving you hell because you are passive-aggressive, which you should avoid on an opponent's board. I like rival opinions because we too often tend to only look through the POV of those similar to us. So, I appreciate the IU fans posting. I like to see what they have to say about our team and theirs. You would be able to have a more reasonable discussion without the little unnecessary stuff.

 

[YOTHN]

First lets not confuse UNC with Wichita State. This is Indiana vs UNC so the mid-major factor has nothing to do with this. It's purely two teams from two great conferences but one is seeded 5 and one is seeded 1. If you asked someone uninformed (or even informed) and said the only difference between UNCs ranking and IU's ranking in the AP and coaches poll on selection Sunday was 1 spot, would that not suddenly hedge more bets in IU's favor to bring that line down? So my point remains, seeding can be decieving and cause betting to skew the odds. It's merely a fact I'm doing my best to lay out for you.

 

[YOTHN]

UK is a good team that played in a below average conference. The hype UK received was partly due to looking good against subpar competition late in the season and also to what Cal has done recently. They are most definitely not a better team than UVA. I don't think any reasonable fan believes this. I have missed some of the discussion though so maybe you were talking about last year or something. UK was a dangerous team for sure though. I would have much rather played them than IU because I think the Hoosiers are more difficult to guard.

Some people are giving you hell because you are passive-aggressive, which you should avoid on an opponent's board. I like rival opinions because we too often tend to only look through the POV of those similar to us. So, I appreciate the IU fans posting. I like to see what they have to say about our team and theirs. You would be able to have a more reasonable discussion without the little unnecessary stuff.

I agree that the SEC was horrible. I mean HORRIBLE. They had 3 tourney teams and one of them (Vandy) was wiped from the planet in the play-in game; therefore, I only give them credit for 2 teams. Aside from the top 3, the rest had 12 or more losses.

I understand ACC fans being all over Virginia and they are a really good team. I just don't put them at the top and find UK to have rounded into form just in time for the tourney. Obviously the talent at UK was higher than Virigina, I'd give the Virginia coach a nod over UK for sure. I just think UK would've beat Virginia on a neutral court.

 

[dgheel57]

Huh? Was that a homophobic slant? After being called an @$$. Where are the moderators?

Secondly, I said UNC was the 3rd best team. There are 4 one seeds, no? If you go back and read my posts you will also see that I said UNC was definitely a 1 seed. So I'm sorry if that's too difficult to understand but I don't think anyone would say I have been beating around any bush. UK isn't elite but was better than Virginia. This isn't very hard to understand.

No,UK isn't better than Virginia,just because you beat them doesn't prove it.It would be very hard for your Hoosiers to beat Virginia.

 

[YOTHN]

No,UK isn't better than Virginia,just because you beat them doesn't prove it.It would be very hard for your Hoosiers to beat Virginia.

Virginia would be really hard to beat....just like beating UK was. I just think UK is better than Virigina. It's ok, it's merely my opinion and I've posted that many other publications agreed. We know everye anaylst in the country was shocked that Virginia was given a 1 seed. That is a foregone conclusion that has no debate. CBS almost made a mockery of the notion that Virginia was a 1 during the selection show itself.

 

[Heelicious]

UK isn't elite but was better than Virginia. This isn't very hard to understand.

There is NOTHING that has happened this year in terms of play and game results, BPI, RPI, roster talent, coaching.... nothing to support UK being better than UVA this year. I think UVA would win 4 of 5 times they'd play UK this year.

 

[YOTHN]

There is NOTHING that has happened this year in terms of play and game results, BPI, RPI, roster talent, coaching.... nothing to support UK being better than UVA this year. I think UVA would win 4 of 5 times they'd play UK this year.

And you have every right to your opinion.

 

[DSouthr]

ha See how you twisted that up. An IU fan earlier said Yogi was better than Dunn but according to most here that was a ridiculous statement simply because of Dunn's NBA prospect status. So when the table is turned and we show IU's draft prospects look to be higher than UNC, now you take the other side of the arguement. Which one is it?

I will say it again. It's an evenly matched game. Continue to take offense, call names and make outlandish comments but I will continue to repeat that it's an evenly matched game. Sorry about your luck.

First boss, I am going to ask for your apology when you quote my words and say I "Continue to take offense, call names and make outlandish comments". I have not taken nor expressed any offense, I have not called you a single name. You quoted my words with that reply and I am owed an apology for that allegation.

Truth is I have enjoyed this back & forth discussion, but you quote CBS as the absolute authority and use that as fact that IU has more talent going in to this game. Now I find that silly so I match what I consider to be a silly statement with my own. The fact is it does not matter which team has the more talent going in to this game, all that matters is which team plays best tomorrow night.

Was there a college team in the country with more talent than Ky had on their team last season, yet Ky is NOT the defending champs are they? A team that barely beat us in the sweet 16 took the mighty wildcats out of last years tourney, was MSU not as talented as the team that took them out of this tourney?

Yeah, I strongly believe UNC is more talented and you believe that IU is at least a match or our talent or even a more talented team and we can argue about that for an eternity but it will not matter who has the more talent going in, all that wil matter is what team plays better and wins.

So why the need to go down this rabbit hole of posting links to CBS and some dudes there picks for NBA drafts? So what if I believe UNC is more talented, it does not matter one little bit, if my more talented team does not win the freakin game. And how many times do I have to say it, how many ways do I have to state it, I think this will be a great game, I don't freakin know who will win it, that is kinda why they play the game to end all doubts of who the winner is.

What next useless tid bit should we discuss, how much stronger a blue colored jersey is than a red one?

As I said, I await that apology...

 

[Heelicious]

And you have every right to your opinion.

Thanks for granting me that right, but factual results of games are facts, BPI, RPI are results-and-statistical-based facts, they aren't based on opinions.
Granted, the AP poll and coaches polls are opinions.

But its a fact that UVA has performed better, and had better results, against better competition than UK this year. But if you want to call the results opinions vs. facts, that's okay with me.

 

[dgheel57]

Virginia would be really hard to beat....just like beating UK was. I just think UK is better than Virigina. It's ok, it's merely my opinion and I've posted that many other publications agreed. We know everye anaylst in the country was shocked that Virginia was given a 1 seed. That is a foregone conclusion that has no debate. CBS almost made a mockery of the notion that Virginia was a 1 during the selection show itself.

You seem to base everything on what CBS says,news for ya! They are not the only game in town when it comes to opinions.

 

[YOTHN]

First boss, I am going to ask for your apology when you quote my words and say I "Continue to take offense, call names and make outlandish comments". I have not taken nor expressed any offense, I have not called you a single name. You quoted my words with that reply and I am owed an apology for that allegation.

Truth is I have enjoyed this back & forth discussion, but you quote CBS as the absolute authority and use that as fact that IU has more talent going in to this game. Now I find that silly so I match what I consider to be a silly statement with my own. The fact is it does not matter which team has the more talent going in to this game, all that matters is which team plays best tomorrow night.

Was there a college team in the country with more talent than Ky had on their team last season, yet Ky is NOT the defending champs are they? A team that barely beat us in the sweet 16 took the mighty wildcats out of last years tourney, was MSU not as talented as the team that took them out of this tourney?

Yeah, I strongly believe UNC is more talented and you believe that IU is at least a match or our talent or even a more talented team and we can argue about that for an eternity but it will not matter who has the more talent going in, all that wil matter is what team plays better and wins.

So why the need to go down this rabbit hole of posting links to CBS and some dudes there picks for NBA drafts? So what if I believe UNC is more talented, it does not matter one little bit, if my more talented team does not win the freakin game. And how many times do I have to say it, how many ways do I have to state it, I think this will be a great game, I don't freakin know who will win it, that is kinda why they play the game to end all doubts of who the winner is.

What next useless tid bit should we discuss, how much stronger a blue colored jersey is than a red one?

As I said, I await that apology...

lol I apologize for the confusion because there has been so much name calling that I don't even remember which posters were guilty or not. I wasn't implying you in my post but if you found that to be offensive, I will apologize. Guaranteed your bretheren whom you did see call names won't do the same? On the IU forum if someone acts foolish on a visiting team you see practically every poster call that guy out. Feel free to visit our forum to see whats been said about the kid who got banned from this thread yet the same support is not provided here.

But I digress. I don't think Indiana is more talented. I literally give Indiana equal footing with UNC when it comes to the outcome of the game. Not "Indiana has a chance" or "Indiana very well could beat UNC" but that I feel it's a dead heat. Not because we're as or more talented but because our team plays at a high level just like UNC. At no point have I suggested anything about IU was better than UNC, I have merely defended the fact that when I came over here most sounded like UNC was by far and away better and I was just a little shocked was all.

What I like to hear is what are the best parts of North Carolina's game? I know they like to run and their bigs are great in transition. They're post D has apparently picked up as of late which is a necessity for a title team to have. What's great about Paige at point? I know he's really talented but what do UNC fans think makes him so great. You guys have seen him more than anyone not being a coach for UNC so you tell me?

 

[YOTHN]

You seem to base everything on what CBS says,news for ya! They are not the only game in town when it comes to opinions.

haha It definitely seems that way but again, it's just one arbritrary opinion. When most think it's a forgone conclusion that everyone agrees with your thought process sometimes it can be a shock to see that it's not necessarily true. I assure you there are other publications out there that would say the opposite but the bottomline is it's not as clear cut as most have made it out to be.

 

[Heelicious]

First lets not confuse UNC with Wichita State. This is Indiana vs UNC so the mid-major factor has nothing to do with this. It's purely two teams from two great conferences but one is seeded 5 and one is seeded 1. If you asked someone uninformed (or even informed) and said the only difference between UNCs ranking and IU's ranking in the AP and coaches poll on selection Sunday was 1 spot, would that not suddenly hedge more bets in IU's favor to bring that line down? So my point remains, seeding can be decieving and cause betting to skew the odds. It's merely a fact I'm doing my best to lay out for you.

But betting and odds don't work this way, I assume you know. Nobody would ever make a bet with their only knowledge being what some zero-basketball-knowledge selection committee gave teams for SEEDING.

And why pick Selection Sunday and that they were 1 spot apart on that day? Actually on Selection Sunday weekend you lost to a non- NCAAtourney team, and we thoroughly EMBARRASSED two NCAA tourney teams, and beat a likely Final Four team, playing at their pace.

The real, relevant ranking, as if that matters, which it absolutely doesn't, would be right now, right?. Us at #3, you at #14.
Again, that doesn't count for one point or one play on Friday. You sure could win.

I just don't get the selective choosing of some ranking from a random date a couple weeks back to justify the equality of the teams.