OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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Yeah, can we stop with this? Thanks.
LULZ andddddd here we go. Zion Williamson isn't coming here so now all of a sudden, the tone is shifting on Radar and apparently he's very average now. Lolz
I'm in the Roy group as far as OAD's. I'll be happy with one every year or 2 but i happen to enjoy the players we have gotten that stayed around. I'm happy with a Natty every four years or so. I'd rather not have the turn over that Dook and Kensucky have.
In my honest opinion he is being over hyped. He is a walking highlight reel in high school but can't shoot and isn't that tall. He is a freak athlete that is built to play fullback in the NFL but I'm not sure how much he'll be able to bully guys in college. I could of course be way off but I do think he has a solid chance at being a bust.
Well, it's coming so you better brace yourself. Not to the degree of Kentucky or Duke, but a steady stream of 1-2 OADs per year is coming.
The good news for you and others is I've heard from his own mouth that Roy doesn't particularly enjoy recruiting OADs, even working under the assumption he'll get them. He prefers a player stay at least two years.
Every coach would but it ain't happening. If they do stay 2 years then it will be used against your school as a negative and you'll have a tougher time getting the next OAD kid.
It's being used against UNC now but I have no issues with that really. Back to back National Championship games will make you feel that way.
That's fine by me but that isn't up to the NCAA it's up to the NBA and right now they've got it made. They get to use college to evaluate talent for a year while ESPN slaps their faces on promos, interviews them, shows highlights on sportscenter, etc. making them more marketable right out of the gate and it costs them nothing. Why would the NBA want to invest money into the D (G?) league to develop these kids when they can use college for free and the kids have access to state of the art facilities and much better coaching than they're going to get in some minor league?
All right, hang on to your hats folks.
I've gotta agree with Gary ...
in that I don't think I've really seen anybody, even on radar, who wants to die on the hill of ZERO one-and-dones like @TarHeelNation11 is claiming. Plenty who hate the recruiting environment that the OAD rule has created, and certainly most would rather see a team built around three and four-year players, but pretty much everybody concedes that we want some of the top talent and that means having a OAD here and there. The consistent objection is to having a team built around OADs such that your entire starting lineup is gone by the time you learn the names on the roster, year in and year out.
I've gotta agree with Gary ...
in that I don't think I've really seen anybody, even on radar, who wants to die on the hill of ZERO one-and-dones like @TarHeelNation11 is claiming. Plenty who hate the recruiting environment that the OAD rule has created, and certainly most would rather see a team built around three and four-year players, but pretty much everybody concedes that we want some of the top talent and that means having a OAD here and there. The consistent objection is to having a team built around OADs such that your entire starting lineup is gone by the time you learn the names on the roster, year in and year out.
Me too. More on that below.
I completely agree. When you watch his highlights, he's dunking on 5'9" white kids with floppy hair that look like they're much more suited as a lacrosse bro than as a legit baller. I think Zion will be a good player. He'll be OAD. But he is not a future NBA All-Star IMO. His shortcomings are his height and inability to shoot as you note. Plus, I could see him struggling with his weight in the future as well.
I have said repeatedly that while Roy recruits OADers, he's not putting his all into it. I've said he does a lot of that for show. You and others have given me shit about it and here you are saying essentially the same thing. Roy doesn't like the mentality of OADers. If a kid is a OAD kid, Roy likes it to happen organically like it did with Bradley. If any kid is vocal about being OAD before going to college, I think Roy recruits him just to show off the brand and for the purposes of relationship building. But he's fine with not getting them.
Roy discussed this during his press conference at media day. He's not opposed to bringing in OAD's, but he's more focused on bringing in one or two and surrounding them with long-term foundation players. As opposed to the full blown roster overhauls that occur in Lexington every year.
I agree with that too. The problem is it will start off with just 1, then... well we have 1 OAD and his buddy who is top 5 wants to play here as well so what do I do tell him no? then they get in another top 15 guys ear about all playing together for a year, you going to tell that kid, "no thanks pal, take it somewhere else so I can play against you?" doubtful.
The other part of gary's post where he says Roy can't (will not) recruit kids with handlers seems to be incorrect because well, Nasir Little. He may not deal with them, he may side step them, but it's obvious he does recruit kids with handlers.
Why do they have to be white? racist.
There is a difference between not enjoying recruiting them and just doing it for show. Your inane argument about Roy's intentions have been debunked by many, including Roy.
Who has debunked it? And if you're talking about when Roy says, "we recruit those guys too", I've spoken to that many times as well. What's he going to say? Don't be a fool. Roy loves lip service and that's what that is. Watch and see. I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that we don't see a remarkable uptick in OAD prospects committing to Carolina. They may end up being OAD like Bradley. But we will not start signing a plethora of top 10 recruits. If you care to make this interesting, I'm game.
I don't think there will be a big change either. We may get the occasional one but not the level that Dook and Kensucky do. Only way we get the players that those two get is if they are caught cheating.
Even then, I can guran-damn-tee Roy isn't bringing in multiple OAD kids in any given year. That's just not going to happen.
I'll say that Roy won't have more than 2 or 3 OAD kids before he retires.
And even when those top recruits do attend Carolina, I bet they stay more than one year. For example, I'll bet right now we see Little as a sophomore.
In a way, that's tough to predict, because some players who are near locks to be a OAD stay multiple years, while guys like Tony Bradley leave because NBA executives fall in love with "potential" instead of looking at the current skill set.
You mean future recruits, not the 3 he's already had, correct?
It is indeed tough to predict. But what I have always argued is that Roy typically will pass up recruiting a higher rated guy if the lower rated guy has the personality he's looking for - a coachable kid that projects to be invested in the school he picks rather than just looking at it as a pitstop to the NBA. Roy has said before that when he recruits a player, he tells them to envision themselves on senior night in the Dean Dome and to work back from that.
Thought so, just making sure. I think that prediction hinges a little on how Nassir turns out (pun semi-intended), if he becomes a OAD, I think that opens the door for several. If he stays for a 2nd year, then I think you're probably on the money.
I agree, and this is one of the things I love about Roy. You definitely need talent to win championships, but experience is just as important. Also, it makes being a Carolina fan so much fun when we can watch the guys who stay develop their games over time and become more all-around players.
If I had to guess, I'd say that both Little and Felton are OAD. In fact, I almost hope they are, otherwise that means that neither had a really good year and we probably didn't go very far in the tournament.
If either is projected in the lottery and doesn't leave, they're stupid (financially). Maybe they enjoy the college experience and all that blah blah blah - but they're paying an awfully expensive price for that second year if they forgo the league.
Felton is another OAD candidate but I have a feeling he stays for at least two years.
Exactly. Look, I liked Tony Bradley fine and he was a piece of our National Championship. But I'd be lying if I said I'll be talking about his contributions 10 years from now. He's Brandan Wright to me - a guy that when I see him playing in the NBA I go, "Hey, that's Tony Bradley. I totally forgot about him." Whereas Marcus, Joel, Brice, Tyler, Danny, and many, many others are the guys I'll tell my grandkids about.
It's been debunked by many posters and Roy multiple times. I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you about it for the 100th time. If you care about it that much then you can use the search function.
Harrison Barnes signed a $94 million contract. I think he's over the fact that he left $2 million on the table by spending an extra year in college.
I disagree. As @What Would Jesus Do? has correctly pointed out time and time again, it's very difficult for a guard to play himself into the draft after year one from the bench. And we all know that Felton isn't starting at PG. He may take over the 2 spot by January but I doubt that. I think he gets roughly 20 minutes from the bench and averages 8-9 ppg.
Little is a possible OAD guy. But if Cam is back after this year, I think it will be tough for him.
Translation: I've said it over and over so it must be true.
You're not very good at this message board debating thing. You consistently lose.
