OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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So you lost a bet and that's why you still have yours up?
I'd argue he left a lot more than $2M on the table. He left a max contract year's value on the table. His situation was also different given the timing of his freshman year, with the CBA and whatnot.
But agreed that there's more to the decision than finances. I simply stated that it's financially stupid to go back to school, obviously when you have $100M+ you may be willing to trade some of it for experiences.
Actually, I think you're right about that. I should have said that Felton is good enough to be OAD. That he should be OAD. And that if he had gone to almost any other school, he would have been OAD.
But given Roy's preference for upperclassmen, I don't see Felton getting enough time to showcase his talents. I guess we should just be happy that Britt is finally off the roster so that Roy couldn't give all of Felton's minutes to him. Maybe a GM is willing to reach on the potential without actually seeing it in a lot of games, but who knows.
Not just me, but several people. Look if you think Roy is a liar and bad at his job that's fine. You certainly have a right to feel that way.
Congrats, you actually got something right. Although you were really just agreeing with someone else and not coming up with something original. Still, that's an improvement for you.
Little also might be a none and done guy.
Agreed and if that is the case I should still win the avatar bet correct @gunslingerdick ?
Liar? Bad at his job? I'm not sure how you're interpreting my poast to mean that. What I'm saying (for the 500th time) is that Roy doesn't like OADs. Therefore, he's not going to recruit them to the best of his ability. I think he recruits them for the purposes of brand recognition and stewarding relationships with high school and AAU coaches. He's never going to publicly admit to that because it could damage the brand. That's not him lying. That's him being smart. As far as being bad at his job, I don't really know how to respond to that. He's won with lower ranked players and he's kept guys in school longer than most. That's being good at his job. Just for clarification here - his job is to win basketball games and to help young men mature. It is not to get guys to the league as fast as possible. No where would that be written into his job description.
That poast wasn't directed towards you so I'm not sure why you're referencing it other than just to be disagreeable with me which recently looks like your M.O. But we've discussed that point by WWJD many times on Raider. I know you hate it over there but if you would pay more attention, you'd know that it's been a hot topic in the past. I gave WWJD credit. Not sure what else I could have done.
I do acknowledge that is a possibility. And if that does happen, the bet with @tw3301 is off.
Ok. But let's get these details nailed down now.
If Little does indeed enroll at Carolina, the bet winner will be declared on the day that early NBA entries have to be submitted. I think that's late May these days. So we'd be looking at May of 2019. And then the loser will have to wear the avatar of the other poaster's choosing for 3 months starting on that day. Is that correct?
His job is to win basketball games. If young men mature during that process, that's a bonus.
And that's the point I make every time this subject comes up. We've probably had many guys that were "good enough" to be OAD. But because Roy does what he does, they aren't. And there are some of us that love that about Roy and some of us that don't love that about Roy. Personally, I like guys having to pay their dues. And I like rewarding seniors like Britt that have stuck it out and represented the program in the right way. I trust that Roy knows the right amount of minutes to give to those types of guys so it rewards those loyal seniors for their dedication but that it doesn't cost us wins. But even if it is going to occasionally cost us a win, I'm still in the camp of rewarding seniors (within reason - I mean guys like Dewey Burke were told from the get go that they were strictly practice players and Blue Steel material). It's probably my favorite thing about our program and Roy and I like the message that it sends.
I disagree. And I'd bet that there is something written into his job description to speak to that.
Except his actions and words show/say that he recruits them to the best of his ability. Just because he prefers to have someone stay doesn't mean he's not recruiting them hard.
Brand recognition? Did you just crawl out from under a rock? UNC has plenty of brand recognition.
You've said multiple times that he half ass recruits players and recruits players because fans want him to. Both of those notions are just flat out stupid. That is not what a good recruiter does. And like it or not recruiting is part of his job.
Because it's a message board. If you prefer other people not to respond get his email address and talk to him directly.
You know Mickey is my main squeeze! Your avatar reminds me of the time we spend together. Could you put one up of her azz? It has extra special meaning.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had something written in there about "helping young men mature", but it should be an "also" category, i.e. not make or break for his job security.
Like if he's winning championship after championship but not helping anyone mature - he gets a raise and an extension. If he's going .500 every year but changing future Aaron Hernandez's into model citizens - his ass should still be out the door without a second thought.
So in essence, you're the one saying Roy is bad at his job, right? Because if he's recruiting them as hard as possible and isn't landing them,...then...
But wait, there are more flaws in your logic.
Coca-Cola has also had brand recognition for years but they haven't stopped advertising. That comment of yours would indicate that you are not in a job where you have to do any kind of marketing or PR. Because it doesn't matter how long your brand is in place, you continue to beat the drum as often as possible. How do you think UNC got to the point where they had a super strong brand? By saying, "well, most people know about us now so I don't think we need to do anything else"?
He's placating fans and donors. But you're being too literal with this discussion. I'm not saying Roy goes in to a living room looking unkempt and says to a family, "your kid can come play for me or not. I don't care." What I'm saying is that the way he manages a recruit is probably different with OADers than with program guys. For example, Cal, K and Sean Miller probably go into a meeting with a family prepared to talk about what Player X can accomplish in one year. They also probably prepare with information regarding getting drafted after year one. They also probably discuss a "fall back" plan of having to play a second year. Roy, on the other hand, goes into a living room and tells the kid and his family to think about your senior year. he has said as much. So in other words, he's not going to tell a OAD kid what that kid wants to hear. He's not going to meet the needs of the OAD kids. That, to me, is not recruiting them as hard as he can.
Point taken. But you cut off the rest of my quote which said that you really seem to be riding my jock lately. I don't know...peculiar. And a little off-putting.
lol
I don't disagree with that and I think any verbiage in his contract about helping young men mature is probably just for show and isn't really measured. But the point I'm making is that Roy takes that part of his job very seriously. Dare I say, it might be what he claims is the most important part of his job. And I think you can tell from the respect and love shown by former players, that he is outstanding at it.
Yeah, I've always thought he was overhyped. Like you said, he is crazy athletic but I've always felt he has a legit chance to really struggle in college. It has nothing to do with UNC's chances. I've always felt this way. I think he could actually hurt UNC's perception (obviously not initially) if they were to land him. That was never going to happen though.
He was getting those players before the investigation and word has it some players have been given money lately. Recruiting isn't done in a vacuum.
They play 30+ games a year on national TV and win championships. That's how they advertise and built the brand. Talking to high school coaches didn't build anything.
OK, you're talking about his pitch, not his effort. Two different things. I actually agree with a lot of what you said about that, but if you think Roy bases anything he does in order to satisfy fans and donors you're nuts. I can't think of a single coach that has talked shit about their fan base more than Roy.
I know nobody gives a crap about preseason rankings (with good reason), but we're overrated as hell at #9.
Agreed, although some people think we are under ranked and are insulted. I prefer to be more rational though.
I saw us at #12 back in the summer, I think. I thought THAT was being very generous.
Ya never know. I don't wanna underestimate the value of the seniors we have. We have a few starters that have been in back-to-back NCAA championship games.
I believe our success or lack thereof will be highly dependant on the maturation of our bigs. If we have to live or die from the three I see us dead quickly.
I think #9 is an accurate ranking, in that it "predicts" a sweet 16 finish. I think that's about what this team will be.
We'll probably actually drop out of the rankings in the early part of the season after Roy tinkers around with lineups and stubbornly refuses to play Felton more minutes than Kenny which will cost us a couple/few games in the non-conference schedule. They'll ultimately find a lineup that minimizes the deficiencies like lack of size down low, and will make a little run that ends when they run into a team with a solid front line - probably zone playing that forces us to take outside shots and will prevent us from getting second chance points off the misses.
We'll probably actually drop out of the rankings in the early part of the season after Roy tinkers around with lineups and stubbornly refuses to play Felton more minutes than Kenny which will cost us a couple/few games in the non-conference schedule. They'll ultimately find a lineup that minimizes the deficiencies like lack of size down low, and will make a little run that ends when they run into a team with a solid front line - probably zone playing that forces us to take outside shots and will prevent us from getting second chance points off the misses.
You got the good tea leaves. Roy will definitely do what Roy does as far as the line-ups. I haven't seen Felton play that much, but I'll take most everyone's word that he's exceptional and deserves to start. But... he won't.
I wouldn't say he deserves to start. Apparently his effort is questionable at times, especially on the defensive end. Roy will never start someone who doesn't give 100% on defense. That, more than anything, will keep him out of the starting lineup.
I'm against Felton starting because I don't want him to look good enough to leave after one year. I want to be right about OADs at Carolina. Good thing I have Roy on my side.
You are fitting right in in this me first society we have today, good job.
He nor Cam may start. That would be some pretty good offense coming in with the second group too.
I think Cam starts but I think he'd be better coming off the bench because the second unit will need some scoring and leadership.
You could be right, but I think it will depend on his defense and willingness to rebound. I definitely think he's in late in games.
I'm also willing to bet that Roy doesn't give a shit what we think.
According to some people he bases his basketball decisions on what we think.
