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OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread

Tim Duncan.
Don't forget Chris Paul. That '02-'03 team was pretty good.

Skip's death was very unfortunate for Wake. But then they fired Dino too early IMO.


ETA: @heelz2345 correctly pointed out that I had my seasons mixed up. I do recall that high scoring game we lost to Wake in the dome; maybe it was 03-04.
 
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I'm SMH at that JB respect thread.

You know I usually stick up for gary and I don't like the teaming up on him from our OOTB crowd, but I gotta say, that thread is the first one where I've sided with y'all and I felt like needling him a little bit over his Joel Berry obsession. That BradytheGoat fella laid out a legit argument of why Berry isn't a good #1 option and Gary went straight for the jugular with the "you don't know basketball" stuff.

I'm not saying I'm joining the Bash gary crowd but I probably won't put up as much resistance anymore when all of y'all do it.
 
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You know I usually stick up for gary and I don't like the teaming up on him from our OOTB crowd, but I gotta say, that thread is the first one where I've sided with y'all and I felt like needling him a little bit over his Joel Berry obsession. That BradytheGoat fella laid out a legit argument of why Berry isn't a good #1 option and Gary went straight for the jugular with the "you don't know basketball" stuff.

I'm not saying I'm joining the Bash gary crowd but I probably won't put up as much resistance anymore when all of y'all do it.
You're just now realizing that Gary is a first class asshole? Congratulations.
 
You know I usually stick up for gary and I don't like the teaming up on him from our OOTB crowd, but I gotta say, that thread is the first one where I've sided with y'all and I felt like needling him a little bit over his Joel Berry obsession. That BradytheGoat fella laid out a legit argument of why Berry isn't a good #1 option and Gary went straight for the jugular with the "you don't know basketball" stuff.

I'm not saying I'm joining the Bash gary crowd but I probably won't put up as much resistance anymore when all of y'all do it.
I wasn't referring to just G7. The whole idea of that thread even existing is stupid. It's also a good example of a lot of the problems with radar. You have people over there presenting actual facts and they are being dismissed and treated as stupid by other posters. It's not just G7 that does that stuff. I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I don't really have a problem with G7 because he is honest about how he acts. He's never tried to deny that he can be a pain in the ass or act like he is better than other people. He fully admits to that, so I have no problem with him being that way. It can be annoying, but people who try to deny that they act a certain way are far more annoying.
 
I wasn't referring to just G7. The whole idea of that thread even existing is stupid. It's also a good example of a lot of the problems with radar. You have people over there presenting actual facts and they are being dismissed and treated as stupid by other posters. It's not just G7 that does that stuff. I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I don't really have a problem with G7 because he is honest about how he acts. He's never tried to deny that he can be a pain in the ass or act like he is better than other people. He fully admits to that, so I have no problem with him being that way. It can be annoying, but people who try to deny that they act a certain way are far more annoying.

I've poasted my thoughts in that thread. The summary of what I said is this: I don't think Joel deserves mention on any midseason award list but those lists are driven by stats justification. Berry is a player that's kind of above being judged by stats. He's a winner. And he makes winning plays that can't be measured. So I don't have a problem with our fanbase speaking to frustration that awards and such don't take those things into account.

But gary, he just refused to entertain a discussion from folks that acknowledge that Berry, while still celebrated as a leader, winner and champion, doesn't fair as well as the #1 option.

You're just now realizing that Gary is a first class asshole? Congratulations.

I've certainly known that gary is prickly. But yesterday I saw just an absolute unwillingness to even have the discussion and his immediate reaction to attack. I guess what really made it stand out is that it was with a guy where no preconceived notions could exist. This BradytheGoat fella is not a long time poaster here. That pln guy battled gary all the time so I understand the bad blood that already exist there and gary allows that effect the way he interacts with him. That goes for many guys on Raider that challenge gary. But this BardytheGoat fella had no history here. But he laid out a legit argument and gary just was having none of it.
 
Don't forget Chris Paul. That '02-'03 team was pretty good.

Skip's death was very unfortunate for Wake. But then they fired Dino too early IMO.
Not to nit pick, but Paul wasn't there until the 03-04 season. However, while he was there, he was very good, and they had a really good 05 season, just not as good as we did :D
 
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Sounds like typical Gary to me. Not sure why you're acting surprised.
He's coming from it at the angle of a lot of G7's supporters. They think that anyone who specifically disagrees with G7 has some kind of agenda. @gunslingerdick specifically gave pln as an example. I have seen nothing in his posts that have been anything but respectful anytime he disagrees with G7, however @gunslingerdick thinks that there should be some kind of bad blood between pln and G7. There is absolutely zero reason that G7 should have some kind of legitimate issue with pln.
 
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He's coming from it at the angle of a lot of G7's supporters. They think that anyone who specifically disagrees with G7 has some kind of agenda. @gunslingerdick specifically gave pln as an example. I have seen nothing in his posts that have been anything but respectful anytime he disagrees with G7, however @gunslingerdick thinks that there should be some kind of bad blood between pln and G7. There is absolutely zero reason that G7 should have some kind of legitimate issue with pln.
Also, I've got a pretty good feeling that the bradythegoat guy is actually a troll based on what he has said here and at DI. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we found out he was a UK fan.
 
Funny part of that thread part 1: Someone says Joel was a secondary option last year, G7 disagrees, the guy says the #1 option was Justin, G7 disagrees and calls the guy a moron, the guy says "the ACCPOY wasn't the #1 option?," G7 says our first option would have been Meeks or Hicks. So, doesn't that prove that Berry was...a SECONDARY option?
 
Funny part of that thread part 2: Gary gets on PLN for using points/possession, usage rate, and assist rate, saying basketball "ain't a damned video game" and that those stats are meaningless. This coming from the guy who invented a stat that we all know and love: THE BLOWN ASSIST
 
I mean, we don't a great number one option this year. For this team to really be killer Williams would evolve into that. The bigs won't, Theo can't, and Maye is too limited at his position probably (though he is outstanding for what he does for the team). Williams shoots well enough from multiple levels and has the potential to drive well enough (IMO) to be a legit go to guy IMO but I don't know if it will happen. Not really having a legit number one option isn't devastating though. They can do well enough without it, though probably not if we don't eventually get more from one of the bigs.
 
Carolina and Gonzaga agree to a home-and-home starting next season.

Good! Look forward to handing those jokers a loss so that they can't be undefeated in the regular season AGAIN, and then get a #1 or #2 seed only to lose early. They need to move conferences. Them playing in the WCC is a joke. They need to move to Pac-12 for bball only.
 
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He's coming from it at the angle of a lot of G7's supporters. They think that anyone who specifically disagrees with G7 has some kind of agenda. @gunslingerdick specifically gave pln as an example. I have seen nothing in his posts that have been anything but respectful anytime he disagrees with G7, however @gunslingerdick thinks that there should be some kind of bad blood between pln and G7. There is absolutely zero reason that G7 should have some kind of legitimate issue with pln.

The only thing I'll say about the pln guy is why does he continue on after gary has shot him down. Gary shuts down the discussion but pln never leaves it alone. he just keeps going back for more. So I'm not saying that he's in the wrong. I'm just saying that the pln guy has clearly rubbed gary wrong in the past so anything pln brings up is going to be garbage to gary right off the bat. The BradyisGoat guy had a clean slate here - there was no past experiences that might have influenced gary's demeanor, yet gary shot him down like he would someone that's pissed him off many times in the past. That's what I was saying.
 
Uh, maybe you should have made that statement a couple of years ago. It's not really applicable right now.
They made one good tourney run last year. Tell me about all the other times they've made the tourney. I'll wait.

Let's see....

Championships: 0
Final Fours: 1.. last year
Elite Eights: 3... last year, 2015, 1999
Sweet Sixteens: 8... last year, 2016, 2015, 2009, 2006, 2001, 2000, 1999

Sorry, making the Sweet Sixteen isn't a big accomplishment if you're a 1 or a 2 seed (IMO). For example, they were a #1 seed in 2013 and only made it to the Round of 32. Yawn. In 2004, they were a #2 seed and only made it to the Round of 32 again. In 2005, #3 seed, only made it to Round of 32 again. In 2013, #1 seed, only made it to Round of 32 AGAIN.

See where I'm going with this?
 
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The only thing I'll say about the pln guy is why does he continue on after gary has shot him down. Gary shuts down the discussion but pln never leaves it alone. he just keeps going back for more. So I'm not saying that he's in the wrong. I'm just saying that the pln guy has clearly rubbed gary wrong in the past so anything pln brings up is going to be garbage to gary right off the bat. The BradyisGoat guy had a clean slate here - there was no past experiences that might have influenced gary's demeanor, yet gary shot him down like he would someone that's pissed him off many times in the past. That's what I was saying.
I get that, but that guy has given G7 no reason to rub him the wrong way. G7 starts an argument with him almost every time he post something. I just think there are better examples of posters that G7 could have a legit beef with.

*glances at @TarHeelNation11 and @carolinablue34*
 
I get that, but that guy has given G7 no reason to rub him the wrong way. G7 starts an argument with him almost every time he post something. I just think there are better examples of posters that G7 could have a legit beef with.

*glances at @TarHeelNation11 and @carolinablue34*

I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't doubt that pln has given gary no reason to have beef with him (other than he seems to like poking the bear like the OOTB crowd). All I'm saying is that the beef exist - for whatever reason. It didn't exist with the BradytheGoat fella yet he got the exact same treatment.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point I was making - somewhat in a jokingly fashion - was that I'm less willing to be gary's savior in the future when the OOTB gang wants to have some fun at his expense.
 
I have certainly gone after some of Gary's stuff in the past. The last two times he kind of chose to ignore me. Honestly, it was probably the right thing to do because I generally don't post something there basketball related unless I'm pretty confident about it. Regardless, I've tried to avoid it as I'm making an effort to be less of a dick. Except for here of course.
 
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I don't even poast over there lol. Don't look at me.
You post over there, you just don't do it often. When you have, there have been times where you have done something that would give him reason to have a beef with you. I'm not saying you are saying things that aren't true, but you've said things that would give him reason to not like you. Especially when it comes to Auburn football.
 
I think you're misunderstanding me. I don't doubt that pln has given gary no reason to have beef with him (other than he seems to like poking the bear like the OOTB crowd). All I'm saying is that the beef exist - for whatever reason. It didn't exist with the BradytheGoat fella yet he got the exact same treatment.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point I was making - somewhat in a jokingly fashion - was that I'm less willing to be gary's savior in the future when the OOTB gang wants to have some fun at his expense.
Fair enough. You might want to reserve opinion on the Brady guy though.
 
You post over there, you just don't do it often. When you have, there have been times where you have done something that would give him reason to have a beef with you. I'm not saying you are saying things that aren't true, but you've said things that would give him reason to not like you. Especially when it comes to Auburn football.
If you're saying it makes him mad when I correctly say he's FOS when saying Auburn Football is as pure as the driven snow, then sure lol.
 
They made one good tourney run last year. Tell me about all the other times they've made the tourney. I'll wait.

Let's see....

Championships: 0
Final Fours: 1.. last year
Elite Eights: 3... last year, 2015, 1999
Sweet Sixteens: 8... last year, 2016, 2015, 2009, 2006, 2001, 2000, 1999

Sorry, making the Sweet Sixteen isn't a big accomplishment if you're a 1 or a 2 seed (IMO). For example, they were a #1 seed in 2013 and only made it to the Round of 32. Yawn. In 2004, they were a #2 seed and only made it to the Round of 32 again. In 2005, #3 seed, only made it to Round of 32 again. In 2013, #1 seed, only made it to Round of 32 AGAIN.

See where I'm going with this?
Yeah I did some research on this, since Few became HC in 2000, Gonzaga has had an average seed of 6.5 and has gone 26-18 in the tournament, meaning on average they lose in the first weekend. They have had a top 3 seed 6 times under Few, and in those 6 times, they have finished in the Championship once, the Elite 8 once, the Sweet 16 once, and lost in the 2nd round 3 times, meaning as a top 3 they were equally likely to lose first weekend as they were to advance any further. Since Few has been there, they have lost in the second round 8 times and the first round 3 times, so 11 of 18 tournaments, they haven't advanced past the first weekend. Now, with that said, the past 3 years have been the most successful for Few, with a sweet 16 as an 11 seed being the worst they've done, but the 5 years prior to that he lost in the 2nd round each time, so it remains to be seen if the past 3 years are him truly getting things straightened out or just a short bright spot.
 
Sorry, making the Sweet Sixteen isn't a big accomplishment if you're a 1 or a 2 seed (IMO). For example, they were a #1 seed in 2013 and only made it to the Round of 32. Yawn. In 2004, they were a #2 seed and only made it to the Round of 32 again. In 2005, #3 seed, only made it to Round of 32 again. In 2013, #1 seed, only made it to Round of 32 AGAIN.
It's Deja vu all over again
 
I found you a new proofreader ;):p
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Seriously, f**k gary-7 and anyone who looks like him.

A more egomaniacal jerkoff has not existed in this world. I sincerely wish he was not a Tar Heel fan.
I’ve said this several times in the past but feel like I need to again. If you simply just type out the word “****” it does the stars for you.
 
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