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OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread

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I'd be extremely surprised if Nike wasn't involved. If I remember correctly, their EYBL records were subpoenaed. It's just a matter of time.
I was completely joking, they basically started this junk 30 years ago. Watch the 30 for 30 "Sole Man," this goes way beyond OAD which is why I think it's funny that everyone thinks doing away with OAD is going to be some kind of cure all.
 
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I was completely joking, they basically started this junk 30 years ago. Watch the 30 for 30 "Sole Man," this goes way beyond OAD which is why I think it's funny that everyone thinks doing away with OAD is going to be some kind of cure all.
Yeah, doing away with OAD isn't going to solve anything. AAU isn't the problem either. The root cause is money. It's been that way for decades. Until they deal with that by going to the Olympic model or something similar, then nothing changes. Unfortunately that worthless NCAA committee didn't address it.
 

I like much of what Bilas said but still think this idea of allowing kids who simply don't sign a contract to come back has to come with stipulations. It has to be kids who who go undrafted. You can not have a kid get drafted, dislike where he went, and then come back. Then the NBA will really play hardball and the kids will be the ones who get screwed.
 
I like much of what Bilas said but still think this idea of allowing kids who simply don't sign a contract to come back has to come with stipulations. It has to be kids who who go undrafted. You can not have a kid get drafted, dislike where he went, and then come back. Then the NBA will really play hardball and the kids will be the ones who get screwed.
Agreed.
 
I like much of what Bilas said but still think this idea of allowing kids who simply don't sign a contract to come back has to come with stipulations. It has to be kids who who go undrafted. You can not have a kid get drafted, dislike where he went, and then come back. Then the NBA will really play hardball and the kids will be the ones who get screwed.
If a kid is drafted in the first round he isn't coming back because he was drafted 23rd instead of 13th so that doesn't matter. 2nd round doesn't offer a guaranteed contract so I think if you are drafted there you should be able to return. Whichever NBA team drafts said player owns their rights until the next draft where they can choose to draft them in the first round or forfeit their rights.
 
If a kid is drafted in the first round he isn't coming back because he was drafted 23rd instead of 13th so that doesn't matter. 2nd round doesn't offer a guaranteed contract so I think if you are drafted there you should be able to return. Whichever NBA team drafts said player owns their rights until the next draft where they can choose to draft them in the first round or forfeit their rights.

NBA still counts on those guys they draft in the second round to an extent. I wouldn't have a huge issue if the teams that drafted them retained their rights but not if it counted as a draft pick for that year. That's crap. This isn't baseball where you have a three tiered minor league system and guys who you expect to have to develop for 4 to 5 years. Get drafted, then play. If you retain the rights but that counts as a draft pick you basically lost the original pick you used on him.
 
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Totally agree that Bilas nails it. Though I think that the folks on the commission are good, well intentioned people, their recommendations would pretty much allow Emmert and his ilk to continue to do business as usual.
"By any reasonable measure, Mark Emmert has not had a successful tenure as NCAA president. He has presided over unprecedented scandal and has largely failed to move the NCAA and its membership to address their most important and glaring issues." - Bilas

You and Bilas are saying the same thing in the bolded text. What everyone should remember is that the NCAA isn't actually interested addressing the amateurism issue. Quite the opposite. They will cling to the current arrangement until absolutely forced to change. It's a system where everyone is making money -- the NCAA, the schools, the coaches, the TV networks, etc. -- except for the players, the people with the least amount of power to do anything about it (short of a strike). How many universities or coaches have openly advocated for players to get paid?

This isn't unlike the Bowl Coalition Bowl Alliance Bowl Championship Series College Football Playoff. They deflected calls for a playoff system for years by citing dozens of ridiculous reasons it would never work. Then, as soon as somebody figured out how to monetize the college football postseason for even *more* money by going to a playoff, Bill Hancock walked back every criticism he had ever made about playoffs.

College players are unlikely to get paid unless something drastic happens. Someone will either have to figure out how paying players will also make money for everybody else, or the players will have to walk out.
 
He's likely going to red shirt next season unless the team is racked with injuries.
That's what I was assuming would happen. Kind of odd that someone ranked that high would be willing to do that. It doesn't really matter to me though. He can do whatever he wants.
 
That's what I was assuming would happen. Kind of odd that someone ranked that high would be willing to do that. It doesn't really matter to me though. He can do whatever he wants.
Yeah I don't really see why people are offended by this or as someone posted on THR that this is "not a good look" for Duke. If you could bring your 2019 recruits in a year early to redshirt, practice, get an extra year in the weight training program, etc would it actually bother you?
 
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Yeah kids these days are pussies.
They've always been pussies, relatively speaking. When you have a lot of kids transferring from a program, it's not because you have an inordinate amount of "pussies." Especially when it comes to that shit show in Durham.

Shuh-Shef-Skee has literally driven his once-proud program straight into the ground. A Brotherhood? Maybe... at one time. Now, it's every-man-for-himself. Every man who isn't an OAD super star that K aggressively recruits to keep his stats padded and the spotlight on him and what he believes is the ideal basketball program. He used to develop players and have teams with experience who stayed in school and embodied what was supposed to be the true face of a college basketball player and team. Now, he's diminished it to a farm team for the NBA. The team of 5-Month Devils on a perpetual rotation. And, while I'm aware that UNC had paper classes, and I'm fine with that. I also would bet both my balls that players like Bagley and Ingram would NEVER have been admitted to Duke University if it weren't for their basketball ability. If it were based on academics? They'd never sniff the campus, let alone be accepted to attend classes.

Don't get me wrong; I'm glad K has shat on his legacy. It makes disliking them as a rival even easier and stronger.
 
They've always been pussies, relatively speaking. When you have a lot of kids transferring from a program, it's not because you have an inordinate amount of "pussies." Especially when it comes to that shit show in Durham.

Shuh-Shef-Skee has literally driven his once-proud program straight into the ground. A Brotherhood? Maybe... at one time. Now, it's every-man-for-himself. Every man who isn't an OAD super star that K aggressively recruits to keep his stats padded and the spotlight on him and what he believes is the ideal basketball program. He used to develop players and have teams with experience who stayed in school and embodied what was supposed to be the true face of a college basketball player and team. Now, he's diminished it to a farm team for the NBA. The team of 5-Month Devils on a perpetual rotation. And, while I'm aware that UNC had paper classes, and I'm fine with that. I also would bet both my balls that players like Bagley and Ingram would NEVER have been admitted to Duke University if it weren't for their basketball ability. If it were based on academics? They'd never sniff the campus, let alone be accepted to attend classes.

Don't get me wrong; I'm glad K has shat on his legacy. It makes disliking them as a rival even easier and stronger.
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They've always been pussies, relatively speaking. When you have a lot of kids transferring from a program, it's not because you have an inordinate amount of "pussies." Especially when it comes to that shit show in Durham.

Shuh-Shef-Skee has literally driven his once-proud program straight into the ground. A Brotherhood? Maybe... at one time. Now, it's every-man-for-himself. Every man who isn't an OAD super star that K aggressively recruits to keep his stats padded and the spotlight on him and what he believes is the ideal basketball program. He used to develop players and have teams with experience who stayed in school and embodied what was supposed to be the true face of a college basketball player and team. Now, he's diminished it to a farm team for the NBA. The team of 5-Month Devils on a perpetual rotation. And, while I'm aware that UNC had paper classes, and I'm fine with that. I also would bet both my balls that players like Bagley and Ingram would NEVER have been admitted to Duke University if it weren't for their basketball ability. If it were based on academics? They'd never sniff the campus, let alone be accepted to attend classes.

Don't get me wrong; I'm glad K has shat on his legacy. It makes disliking them as a rival even easier and stronger.
Spot on.

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