I agree. As much as I would like to see Little back next year, I think he's gone for the reasons you mentioned. The NBA draft now is all about potential, and in a weird way, staying actually hurts a player's chances of getting drafted high.
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I agree. As much as I would like to see Little back next year, I think he's gone for the reasons you mentioned. The NBA draft now is all about potential, and in a weird way, staying actually hurts a player's chances of getting drafted high.
It is sad. An NBA GM would rather take a player with less college experience and not knowing all of his flaws, than a player with more experience and having a better idea of what his strengths and weaknesses truly are. It makes no sense to me.
It's not really sad because for the most part, GMs are correct.
How many 4 year college players turn out to be All-Stars in the NBA? Curry and Draymond? Anyone else?
Basically these days, if you stay it's because you're probably not good enough to play at a high level in the league.
How many 4 year college players turn out to be All-Stars in the NBA? Curry and Draymond? Anyone else?
Basically these days, if you stay it's because you're probably not good enough to play at a high level in the league.
There are probably just as many players who get drafted on potential who don't live up to their draft position. Yes, they get the initial contract, but what happens when they're out of the league in 3-5 years?
GMs are generally correct in that a talented guy can be coached up much easier than a coached up guy can become talented.
But for the most part, NBA GMs are pretty dumb. They had to institute the one year rule to save them from themselves drafting kids they had no clue about and just loved their measurables.
Jimmy Butler too. Brogdon and the already mentioned Buddy Hield might join that group soon.
Curry was a three year guy. Victor Oladipo, Damian Lillard, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Isaiah Thomas are also in that list.
But agree that the best NBA players are generally 1 maybe 2 year college guys. Especially if they come in highly rated, they should be gone after a year, two at the most, or it starts to look bad (see McAdoo, JM)
If you can produce a quote of his stating as much, I'll believe that. Until then, that's nothing more than a guess on your part.
They've been drafting on potential and measurables for about 10 years or so - certainly that was the case when Barnes was here. And for the record, Barnes had incredible measurables - better than Little's.
Do 3 year players not count?
Paul Milsap, Klay Thompson, Damien Lillard, Kemba Walker, Victor Olidipo and I'm sure there are more I just can't think of right now. I'm not a proponent of every kid that goes to college staying 4 years. It's definitely individualized. But it's almost like anything more than a year isn't even a consideration these days. That's absurd.
No, it is sad. Because some of those All-stars that were one year players would be 3 or 4 year players if the culture didn't lend itself to feeling ashamed for staying in school multiple years. Kevin Durant, had he stayed 4 years, would still be an All-Star. He didn't have to go after one year. And maybe Durant isn't the best example, but if KD really enjoyed college, he couldn't have stayed if he wanted to because he would have been looked at as a failure. It's really so f*cking backwards I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that the system in place has penalized multi year players so much that now kids in their junior year of high school are trying to figure out the best way to be looked at as a OAD player. I mean, think about that. What if Bill Bradley was coming about these days? By the time he was 16 years old, he'd be trying to become a OAD player, would attend UK instead of Princeton and would go on to play basketball and his political career never happens. There are probably dozens of kids that shorted themselves of a more meaningful and a better life after basketball because instead of taking the better route, they took the faster route. And sometimes, they might not have really wanted to but felt obligated to.
Wasn't it @gunslingerdick who made that bet?
I agree. Now some of their decisions to leave early is based on wanting to provide financial assistance to their families, and I respect that. I just feel bad for the kids who don't have the financial issues, but still feel obligated to leave early based on the current player evaluation process.
You’re not missing much. That guy was a real dick.
And he shot from the hip
He's not going on record to say that. Let's assume that you are right though. That doesn't change the fact he was projected as a high draft pick. Little is still a lottery pick. There's no reason right now to think Little will be here next year.
Things happen. Plans change. He might want to come back. I know it's a long shot. But if we want to ensure he leaves (which apparently you and some others do), then let's keep repeating that absurd shit that if he stayed, he'd be viewed as a massive failure. That ought to run him off. Or at least we can hope.
He wouldn't be viewed as a failure. He'd just be sacrificing whatever millions of dollars he'd be making in the NBA by coming back. Then in whatever future draft he'd be in, he'd be discounted because he'd be X years older and have X years left of projected NBA "service", and thus be a less valuable asset to an NBA team.
UNC may get a knock for "holding back OADs", even though it wouldn't be deserved if it was truly Little's choice to forgo what would have been a top 5 draft selection, but that would be the perception (or at least brought up in negative recruiting).
Man this team is just not that good. A decent team last night puts us down 20 in the first half. Uncw is HORRIBLE. We shoulda beat them by 50. Texas has now lost 3 in a row after beating us. One loss to radford. I admit i drank the kool aid early on in the season but this team lacks def chemistry and a flow on offense (no pg). Telling you now you better brace yourselves for a very mediocre season.
We’ll win 25 games and make at least the Sweet 16. And we’ll also finish top 4 in the ACC. If that’s mediocre, I can live with it.
Yeah, at the moment... I'm not feeling as good as I did pre-season. We have some good pieces but we only seem to have one or two playing decently on a game-by-game basis. If - BIG IF - we can get some offensive chemistry and flow, we could at least cover up (somewhat) the lapses on defense. But I'm afraid this year will end like last year: match-ups will determine how far we go (but S16 feels like the roof).
I'm bracing too. For our Final Four run. And when we achieve better than what everyone is expecting, I don't want any of you naysayers to celebrate our success.
If that happens, great. Some very key pieces are missing.
Gonzaga came within a few seconds of losing to an unranked Washington team last night.
I'm sure Roy will get the most out of the guys. I'm just not sure what the most is with this group. The usual, necessary components are not there.
Lack of a ft line is absolutely killing us. Noone can score down low. I would be very happy to make sweet 16. Next year aint looking warm and fuzzy either.
Yeah - didn't want to see them have a week to fester over a loss.
Tennessee is legit though, that won't look like a bad loss at all.
Would never bet against the heels. I’ll gladly bow to your superior prognosticatory skills should i be wrong.
What would be an acceptable betting margin for "drag our ass up and down the gym?"
I'm not sure, but I'm with you on this one. I think UNC will lose to Gonzaga and Kentucky. This will be a very frustrating season, I'm afraid. I'm sure RW will get it as good as it can be "got." But, this is a very strange bunch.
