OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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On a serious note,
Honestly, how can you make such a run last year, 3 of the biggest games ever, 2 of which ended K in historic fashion, and come out flat. Blessed with top heavy starters, none who are below juniors
Mando= no off season conditioning and money on the mind. No drive it seems. Is he hiding an injury, or conditioning due to that? Dude was demolished by end of year last year
RJ and Love= should be Batman and Robin and not Lavern and Shirley. Not much positive outside of RJ is a sniper from free throw and when Love is on, we score some
I'll give a pass to Nance for now, learning a new system, but not for long
Leaky= Diamond in the rough. It's is clear he is the only starter who put their time in during the off season and it shows by a mile.
On paper, hands down #1. Gametime time, maybe #20
I expect they will pull their heads out their posterior eventually.
As for HD. You can drive a Ferrari, but settling for a minivan. Time to step up and get in their faces. You are the coach of UNC. Not their BFF. It's going to be a tough career if you wait till game 22 to develop team chemistry and fight to break in the top 25 each year. Your team this year has played 35 minutes of hard BB spanning 6 games. That is also on you!
Honestly, how can you make such a run last year, 3 of the biggest games ever, 2 of which ended K in historic fashion, and come out flat. Blessed with top heavy starters, none who are below juniors
Mando= no off season conditioning and money on the mind. No drive it seems. Is he hiding an injury, or conditioning due to that? Dude was demolished by end of year last year
RJ and Love= should be Batman and Robin and not Lavern and Shirley. Not much positive outside of RJ is a sniper from free throw and when Love is on, we score some
I'll give a pass to Nance for now, learning a new system, but not for long
Leaky= Diamond in the rough. It's is clear he is the only starter who put their time in during the off season and it shows by a mile.
On paper, hands down #1. Gametime time, maybe #20
I expect they will pull their heads out their posterior eventually.
As for HD. You can drive a Ferrari, but settling for a minivan. Time to step up and get in their faces. You are the coach of UNC. Not their BFF. It's going to be a tough career if you wait till game 22 to develop team chemistry and fight to break in the top 25 each year. Your team this year has played 35 minutes of hard BB spanning 6 games. That is also on you!
keep in mind that this team was mediocre until the last 10-12 games last season. even unranked for a while. they just got hot at the right time. i'm not sure how good they actually are.
It’s the same team we saw last year except for the final month when a player no longer here went unconscious shooting 3’s. So I’m worried this is the real identity. But I’m usually wrong.
Smells about right. HD may earn his keep this year. Hopefully not a Tubby Smith scenario
That was my worry. Did they finally come together and buy in at the end of last year or did they just get hot? This is why I said it didn't make sense to judge Hubert after year one. We don't actually have enough evidence to see what kind of coach he is.
I don't like what goes on under Davis at the first of the season. But if that's what it takes to whip that dook ass twice in a row, once in front of the biggest home fan uproariousness one can imagine at that noisy craphole, and the other in the tournament, to get to a winnable final....I'm all in. I'm not sweating it for now. I'll wait and see before I get the pitchfork out, and my feeling is that they will gel at some point just like last year.
It didn't even bother me that much when I was sitting in that sports bar right in front of one TV carrying the State game and another one that had the basketball game on....to see them both lose in under a minute of each other. That was a unique first for me, but all my angst is for our football team alone.
C'mon Hubes, any time now.
It didn't even bother me that much when I was sitting in that sports bar right in front of one TV carrying the State game and another one that had the basketball game on....to see them both lose in under a minute of each other. That was a unique first for me, but all my angst is for our football team alone.
C'mon Hubes, any time now.
My concern at this point is his hybrid approach to everything he has learned over his career as a player and assistant. He has the team to do something. I think this will be a make or break season for him. His success is going to hinge on how far away he strays from what has been proven to work at UNC. The game has evolved, and iso or hero ball has never worked in this system. I hope they gel and play ball soon. But with this many glaring deficiencies with an upper classmen team is troubling to say the least. It all begins with buying into what the coach is pushing. When Roy backed off, it showed in his team's. This team has no reason to not be consistent. But fundamentals are out the window.
yes - I agree with this and was just going to post...with all the great basketball minds he played for, played with, coached with - from college player to NBA very good player under legendary coaches, to being beside Roy for so many years - its hard to say you could find someone who knows more about basketball and what works and what doesn't.
Whether he can take all this vast knowledge, and motivational skill, getting kids to respond - and to make it work in the Carolina program, remains to be seen. But until we see differently, I don't know how anyone can assume there was anybody close to as good of a choice as Hubert to fill the current role.
If anything - maybe we need something more in terms of true niche value adds from the assistants, and maybe turnover there is merited. I'm not so comfortable with them all being Carolina guys, having jobs just because they were mostly buddies of Hubert. You could get some assistants who have done great things at lesser colleges, who could bring new wrinkles, and maybe be candidates for HC whenever Hubert is gone.
not sure what you mean by fundamentals out the window, but I understand what you;re saying otherwise. I know he wants to change things his way and that's part of the problem or at least it was last year. But I think the real problem is cohesion, or getting the players to be a team. i think that's why we started playing so well last year, the guys finally took the team concept to heart and started respecting each other.
But I'm not a good x's and o's basketball guy, I just love to see them play well. My favorite teams were way back when Dean had good but not superstar talent and they played or tried to play the way he coached them, and it was something to see when it was clicking.
You can't assume anything at this point. It's too early to know if he is or isn't a good choice. My two biggest issue so far have been rotation and drawing up plays off of timeout. That's something that can be fixed, though. Year three will tell us what kind of coach Hubert is.
Wow... dropped from #1 to #18 in a matter of 5 days! That feels like some kind of record!
Loved Roy's results, but I was NEVER comfy coming out of a timeout under Roy either, i'm hoping that improves.
I agree. Luckily he only called three TO in his career, so it wasn't a huge issue.
Fundamentals such as bigs not driving to the basket, dribbling to much, ball dropping below shoulders, passing out of double teams, guards driving to deep into traffic, ect...
I dunno... one of my all-time favorite moments came from a Roy TO. At Clemson... I will always remember how the volume switched from the home crowd to the few Heels fans by contrast. It felt like a 757 was in the place until Wayne drained the 3. I've never felt so good after a game in my life. Walking back to the car was just... perfect!
@gunslingerdick have you started an alter ego account again for raidar? That Chappelle guy is short leash quick temper with a few over there
I dunno if Illinois is just "that good", or Syracuse is having a really bad night... but, they are getting destroyed. Boeheim may need to retire.
They suck to watch. It's just ugly. At least when we lost with Roy, it was still watchable basketball. This team makes me want to turn off the TV.
trimble, nickel, and washington are going to be a problem…and they play hard
Nickel surely is a proven very good shooter. Some games we will need him. I think he needs in the rotation.
I haven’t seen anyone on the team this year play as consistently hard and scrappy as Trimble. Sure he’s out of control sometimes, loose with the ball, and not a great scorer - but I’ll take that along with one guy who seems to play with heart and energy and fire, gets up in the opponent’s grill, and tries to make things happen
hard to handle for opposing teams…they score, play hard, and court vision seems good.
Yes it was. As good as that was, it could have been avoided with better defense. This team will live or die by their D.
Yes this thread had just died so I tried to jump start it.
Somehow need to significantly improve the disparity on 3s made vs our opponents. We are missing a lot of good open looks, and giving up too many. How can we make Love want to play d?
Then - our passing is getting quite a bit better. I just wish we weren’t so much “5 out” with Nance and especially Bacot too often on perimeter for long periods of a posession on offense. IMO rare need for Bacot to be above ft line on offense. Nance should do more down low too.
But I get HD is and nba guy and he sees success something like nba perimeter game like Golden state glory days. Nance and especially Bacot aren’t those kinds of players.
Need a lot better entry passing and finishing strong too.
hubert challenged their manhood at half and it worked…maybe he should challenge them during pregame so we can enjoy all 40 minutes.
I agree with this!
This thread was dying because we have all wised up and just read Gary's quick stuff threads after the games and accept that as the way it is a go on about our days!
"... and this was about me having far too much time on my hands."
I'm not an anti-Gary person, but I do find it comical how he defends his positions and knowledge. It's obvious he has a deeper insight (or obsession) to the game than most. If it's his hobby to gather around and play coach with his buddies like a bunch of D&D nerds each games then it's cool. But all the offensive and defensive schemes he gives is above most people's pay grade. He breaks down each game like he is sitting in the room with HD advising him on what needs to be done to correct issues. If he is that knowledgeable, why isn't he coaching?
Again, he does have a deeper understanding of the game. But the eye test usually wins out. We sucked, and now we don't suck as bad. Same as last year. I feel the jury is still out on this coach and staff. Another deep run may solidify the hire.
All the talk of the Carolina way and Dean and Roy's coaching style, HD look far removed from that to me. How many times did Roy use 3 guards at once? How many times did the PG slot split evenly between the 2 guards? How much did dean and Roy allow the bigs to roam the perimeter on both ends? How much reliance on 3s did they allow? With all that said, Gary seems content with HD and a half court game. Roy always struggled to get his teams to play D. When they did, they were unstoppable. Will HD style allow that as well?
Anyway, I read his poast, and filter out the pride and arrogant portions, and basically ignore his fan boys. RAIDAR!!!
One part of the Carolina way is still happening us giving up career numbers from 3 against 90% of the teams we play!
Gary is very smart when it comes to the game but when he is wrong and everyone knows he is wrong, he will do what ever to justify his point. Just like saying the Leaky 3 was a good shot, and it was time and situation and 2 for 1 and all that! Leaky never one time even remotely considered 2 for 1 when he jacked that up!
It was a terrible shot, for him to take maybe if it was Nance, RJ or Love I can buy the shot but not Leaky, and with that said not a one of those players would have done it with 2 for 1 in mind!
Leaky being the most open. Leaky isnt the go to clutch. He worked hard in the off season on his shot. But drawing a play for him to shoot isn't the wisest IMO. But you are right, he will die on a hill with his mafia once entrenched
5 star post. Dead on perfect re raid ar and professed “ol ball coach” and “godfather of his coaching mafia buddies” Gary. 😂 🤮… and how a basic normal fan should read and react (or not) to Gary’s posts.
References back to Platek etc as like a top 50 UNC player, better than Kobi, victim of Roy’s conspiracy personal vendetta against him, though - are almost more than I can just let pass. It is a challenge
I stopped reading Gary’s shit a few years ago. I think he’s quite knowledgeable but I just don’t care for his write ups. I’ve seen enough basketball to make my own evaluations. I just don’t need the help.
Right. And you can get that shot ANY TIME! Take it at end of shot clock if need be but if you get something high % in the lane or to Bacot or nance in the paint - plus maybe hit FTs - it’s over in regulation.
That shot reminded me of the many times you see guys / teams when down one with plenty of time to get a good two point look or drive to hoop - take a long haphazard 3. Terrible shot selection. Even if you get lucky and it goes in. why?!
