I didn't mind the shot by Leaky, he looked very confident on that shot. Hell, he's shooting 38% from 3 compared to Love's 29% and Davis' 28%.
OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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i was going to try and watch a little of the dudettes game vs michigan tonight and low and behold, they look unwilling to guard the three as well…sheesh
Very much a true PG, probably the most pure PG we’ve landed since Kendall. Pass first, floor general, all that fun stuff.
I saw him play at Bergen Catholic, he’s really really good. It’ll be interesting to see how we juggle our lineups with RJ, Cadeau, Trimble, and Wilcher. Good problem to have.
no such thing anymore, at least with hubert, as a true pt guard…this kid distributes and can score…look at his euro tape.
you’d be hard pressed to find a guy that just passes and can defend.
This is the closest you’ll find in a modern PG in terms of a true PG.
He’s the top PG in the country and he’s only averaging 11ppg. Should tell you something about the other parts of his game.
my point is he can also score…he’s a better scorer than marshall.
should i have said he’s not derrick phelps??
My only concern is if he is a 1nd, will he take us to the promise land as a frosh? We typically do better with Jr Pg's.
Also, does this mean we go back to the experiment phase when he hits campus, to attempt NBA ball? That set us back this year.
Also, does this mean we go back to the experiment phase when he hits campus, to attempt NBA ball? That set us back this year.
Wing isn’t a dire need. Because with who projects to be on the roster when Cadeau gets here, we will be running 3 guard line ups frequently.
Our biggest need is a big. Maybe Mondo sticks around for a 5th year, but regardless, he’s gone by 2024. We will have only Washington (who committed under the premise of playing the stretch 4) and Will Shaver to man the post. And currently we have an offer out to exactly 1 center - James Brown.
Our biggest need is a big. Maybe Mondo sticks around for a 5th year, but regardless, he’s gone by 2024. We will have only Washington (who committed under the premise of playing the stretch 4) and Will Shaver to man the post. And currently we have an offer out to exactly 1 center - James Brown.
I'm not. Last year I thought we just sucked and Hubert sucked which would set the program back years.
This year it's just about giving a shit. When we give a shit, we win. When we don't, we lose. This team is still insanely talented and will turn it on when it matters, at least I think so.
I'll knock Hubert for not getting this team to turn it on when it's not a big game, but he didn't really do that last year either and likely won't next year either. It's the main difference between him and Roy in terms of prep. Roy, pre-2021 at least, got our guys up for most games.
James Brown is a really good job by Hubert and May. He's basically your Bacot replacement and I love the idea of having a true 5 in the mix moving forward. I was worried we'd just try to go super positionless and get destroyed on the boards.
If we get Jarin as everyone thinks we will, those two will form a nice little Meeks/Hicks style combo to go with a pass first PG. Still think we need a shooter but we're really looking good for future teams.
If we get Jarin as everyone thinks we will, those two will form a nice little Meeks/Hicks style combo to go with a pass first PG. Still think we need a shooter but we're really looking good for future teams.
Dunn has to see the opportunities in front of him. I hope he doesn't get discouraged and want to leave. He could be a really big piece his junior and senior years as that knockdown shooter. Nickel too but I see him as more situational.
2024-2025 should look like this:
Cadeau (Fr)
Dunn (Sr)
Trimble (Jr)
Washington (Jr)
Brown (Fr)
Wilcher (So)
Nickel (Jr)
Styles (Sr)
Stevenson (Fr)
High (So)
Powell (Fr)
I think RJ, Love, Puff and Shaver are all gone for one reason or another by then. RJ and Love playing professionally somewhere and Shaver and Puff transfer out. Wouldn't surprise me if Styles left too but I'll include him here. Probably need another shooting guard (although Powell is making great strides in his shot-making ability) and a back up center.
Its the equivalent of playing a football game against a triple option team!
I want to be wrong, but I see no way this current team wins this game being played right now.
I have to agree. They don't perform well against UVA in general and even our better teams of the past struggled against them.
They're better this season, for sure. Clark is in his 12th season.
I'm glad I don't live and die by every Carolina win and loss like I did 15 years ago I would be on a bridge somewhere ready to jump!
I feel ya. I miss those days. CBB has lost the luster it once had. With the "scandal", Dean passing, O&D factories, Roy declining, NIL, and add revolving yearly transfers, it's become much harder to enjoy. I hardly ever watch a game live anymore. I always enjoyed watching a player develop over 3-4 years. Now it seems you basically have a new team each year. And it's not just here, it's across the landscape. I am hoping HD can make something happen to get things back. But I am afraid he is gearing more for letting these kids play NBA style rather than CBB as well all know it.
And I LOL at raidar always blaming refs. And AD spamming the board with threads linking premium articles.
Agree with most of that. I am fortunate to have lived through Carolina's golden years as well as the ACC's golden years. The 80s and 90s were the pinnacle of ACC basketball. Roy's time following was the tail end of the sport's highpoint. But yeah, NIL, the revolving door of freshmen, the transfer portal have all impacted my desire to follow the sport. Really, I don't follow it anymore outside the Heels. I used to set time aside and plan to watch Heels games. I have watched maybe 3 full games this year and missed 4 or 5 games completely. Sure, some of it is our struggles but those struggles can be directly linked, IMO, to the new world of basketball that encompasses those things mentioned above. Obviously I'm older too and have more important shit to do than to live and die by the Heels basketball exploits. I'm not mad about it. I'm grateful for having the luxury of following it so closely for so long. My kids have taken on the responsibility of being the #1 Heels fans in our household. I'm glad to have passed the torch.
You know that's a you thing right? Not that the sport or UNC or the ACC have gone to shit?
In the 80s and 90s you had 50 and 60 year olds complaining that the sport is nothing like it was in the 60s and 70s. It's funny to read articles from the Fab Five era and listen to old people complain about the kid's attitudes, their clothes, and their "street" style of play. Not just Michigan. Hell, MJ got crap for his "baggy" shorts. It is 100% generational on how you feel about the thing you grew up loving.
Obviously there are things worse than they were, but there are a hell of a lot of things better. I think the actual product is very good. These kids are better and more prepared for the college game than they have ever been. NIL's early impact has been keeping kids in school longer, which is a great thing for the game.
I think the portal needs to be fixed, immediately. That's my one real negative about the sport right now, you can't have 2,000 kids (that's not an exaggeration) switching teams every offseason.
Gone to shit? No. Fallen some? Most certainly. In regards to UNC, it's as easy as looking at annual win/loss record. We are not what were were in the 80s and 90s or the first decade of Roy's time here. That's indisputable. As for the sport in general, I'll admit that is largely subjective. However, I think it's pretty clear the ACC isn't what it was. We were once the preeminent conference. It was widely known. There was little argument about that. We were to basketball what the SEC is to football. We are not that now and haven't been for several years now. The future does not give one hope.
Meh. Again, numbers don't lie. How many Final Fours did UNC go to in the 60s and 70s compared to the 80s and 90s? How many league titles? How many ACC appearances in the FF? And would you argue the tournament was as interesting in the 60s and 70s as it is today? Can you find me someone that would argue that? I kind of doubt it. It was a smaller field, largely regional. Today's tournament is vastly expanded and different. Most would say significantly better. I get the nostalgia thing. And I fully admit to be a sucker for it. But again, I often can point to hard evidence to support such a claim that things were indeed better "back in the day".
This is where we will diverge. If I want top notch play, I'll watch a professional league where the players are paid to be prepared and paid to be the most skillful. That's traditionally not why I watch college sports. College sports was intended to be extracurricular activities for college students. It was about the pageantry, the drama and about young kids growing and maturing under pressure in the spotlight. It wasn't meant to be evaluated on the same level as professional sports. That wasn't the draw originally.
Well, yeah. I agree. For starters. And I don't want to get in a big discussion about the NIL. It's here and sure, on some level, I guess I'm happy college athletes won't be scraping by. But the negatives of the NIL outweigh the positives for me. You cannot convince me that the buy-in from players is or will be the same. Oh, they'll play hard and want to be good because it gets them an NIL deal and puts money in their pocket. But that's not the buy-in I like. I prefer the buy-in from players because this is one of the biggest opportunities they'll have in life to make a memory. It's just different. Hard to explain. If it needs explaining, then you obviously don't feel about it the way I do. And that's fine. I'm not asking anyone to share my feelings.
Matt Doherty cured me of that. Now my immune system keeps me from getting too sick. Thanks Matt, you probably added fifteen years to my life.
That being said, what would I trade for seeing the Heels ruin K's going away party and then finally, after all these years, getting to see them boot the devils out of the tournament. There are still nuggets to be found, and I'll be there to see them.
@gunslingerdick - i'm with ya on the majority of what you said. IMO, the immediately transfer portal and OAD are the 2 things making college BB less and less interesting for me. i dont want Brady Manek and Pete Nance ... i want George Lynch and Wayne Ellington. make them stay for at least 2 years and make them sit out a year if they transfer. NIL - sure, let them make money - they're making a TON for the university, no doubt.
The argument of grumpy old men complaining about youth theses days is old. NOTHING, and I mean nothing is the same. UNC prides itself with all that hangs from the rafters. You say a name like Vince Carter, Michael Jordan, Rasheed Wallace and many more. They believed in UNC. Many of these kids today will never have that impact. If I didn't see them grow and develop here, only 1 season, I forget them easily. I forget games they made a splash, why, they contribute little to that particular nostalgia that is UNC. That PG HD just caught. If he stays 1 year, and bolts, what has he done to shape the program? Do we really want to be like dook? Look at what that type of program turned into. K sold his soul for that notoriety, and his legacy blew up in his face last year. Those 90s teams he coached would have destroyed UNC. K is an absolute prime example of what's wrong today. If HD desires that same model, then it will be the end for people like me. I don't feel that makes me less a person.
@gunslingerdick we are the same age, and I agree with your statement as well
What about Bacot? Does he not fit in with our 4 year legends like Vince, MJ, RW?
How about RJ after next season? What about Caleb if he stays? Leaky? Hell, 2017 wasn't that long ago. Joel Berry not a Tar Heel legend?
Are you saying these guys "don't believe in UNC?" That's insulting to the upperclassman we have on this team that have turned down pro options to come back and try to win a title.
I do kinda miss the days where we were dominant every year. But that's more of a coaching/transition thing than anything else. Roy really got screwed over by the fake academic scandal and in 2019-20 that showed up big time. Then the pandemic hits. Then seemingly, Hubert gets it together at the end of last year and now it seems like we've regressed again.
Do you honestly think bacot or love would be here if not for NIL? I greatly admire Bacot for being here, and dominating as he does. I also understand he is an ambassador of this new NIL Era.
I love leaky as well. In previous poast earlier in the season, i was praising him for being the one who looked like he worked the off season on his game. He exemplifies UNC. As for the rest, it's obvious we are close to the same product and trajectory as last year. Hoping to get hot post season is fools gold.
But speaking to the product on the floor now, the style of game played today, its obvious the program as a whole has changed drastically.
And who cares how insulted any of the upper classmen get over a long term fans viewpoint. As @notashelbyfan stated, there was a time i would set my schedule around Unc sports. Yes, some of the change comes with age and other commitments, but some comes from the change in the environment as a whole. Its OK to not view the world in Carolina Blue glasses.
I hate dook, and love to see them flame out more than anyone. But what K did to that program was ridiculous and I don't want to see that at UNC.
Also, in your honest opinion, should this year's team not be better than last years team, since its starters are all upperclassmen? People hinge on manek, but he was only 1 person. Is this the new culture in basketball as a whole? With upperclassmen, they should be a hard out every night. We are basically sitting with the same record as last year. From #1 to barely a top 30 team now. Does that concern you?
None of this drivel remotely hits on one actual solid counterpoint. You're glazing over like 35 separate points that have little to do with each other. I can't tell if you're trying to talk about UNC of yesteryears and glorifying your own nostalgia or how you're pissed about the first 2 months of this season.
Focus on your point, whatever it may be, and then I'll respond to it.
I'm not sure which argument is weirder. The nothing is the same as 40 years ago argument, or the everything is exactly the same as it was 40 years ago argument.
hey Grayhead, hit him with your 'are you just here to make trouble?' speech. Because he might just be one of those troublemakers; you know, just here to make trouble. LMAO.
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