OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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I think his point was that he doesn't enjoy UNC hoops or college basketball in general like he used to. He has stated the reasons for that opinion. What else are you looking for?
I mean...his reasoning was there are no 4 year guys and it's all burn and churn. I sited examples for 80% of our starting lineup and he said "well, they don't count" then went on a rant about lord knows what.
Soooo yeah, I still have no idea what his argument is.
Since @Grayhead acknowledged my poast and said he agreed, I feel comfortable taking a stab at what he means. If I may:
I think we're both lamenting the state of college athletics, in this case, basketball. It's not as refreshing as it once was. Even if in the past, players were getting paid, there was a perception of guys playing because playing for UNC meant something. Now, to your point, guys may stay, but are they invested on the level in which 3 and 4 year players of yesteryear were? It's not likely. And we would point to the results as part of the evidence. We'd also point to guys not improving, which would indicate they're not as invested. We'd also point to statements made by current players as well as recruits about getting to the professional ranks as fast as they can. I get it. Everyone wants to make money. But I don't remember MJ, Rick Fox, Vince or Danny Green ever talking about the NBA being the goal. What those players expressed publicly was that it was all about winning at Carolina. Being future NBA players was simply a byproduct of buying in at Carolina and winning and looking good doing it.
Times have changed. Gray and I both recognize that. And that's precisely what we're saying - times have changed and have made the sport and our fandom of Carolina, less attractive. You said you don't understand what his argument is. It's not an argument. You've apparently taken issue with how some of us feel about the state of college athletics and we were simply stating why we feel the way we do.
@Grayhead , feel free to step in and correct me if I have pegged your thoughts inaccurately.
This season shows how critical Manek was for us last season, and not just on the basketball floor but as a leader.
Also, we didn't start really gelling and getting into the right groove until RJ too over the pg spot for the most part, and he played very well. He's as big a key as anyone to righting the ship for the rest of the season, and of course, we need Bacot to recover and be healthy.
The bench needs to develop as well, especially so we can turn up the heat defensively. I know, Captain Obvious but still.
Also, we didn't start really gelling and getting into the right groove until RJ too over the pg spot for the most part, and he played very well. He's as big a key as anyone to righting the ship for the rest of the season, and of course, we need Bacot to recover and be healthy.
The bench needs to develop as well, especially so we can turn up the heat defensively. I know, Captain Obvious but still.
You are spot on. I don't dislike UNC. I dislike the mindset of sports in general these days. Fundamentals are not what they use to be. It's part of the culture my generation has created in how they raised their kids.
I don't blame the kids for what they are doing, I just wish it wasn't the normal. What at one time was back door shady money deals is now applauded. High-school kids getting paid. It's not progress from a pure love of sports perspective. Since when has the opportunity for a 4 year degree at the best university of your choice, looked as not being enough? DES not only used that, but also had a stellar success rate at graduating his players. Now everyone wants that 1 year kid who may be the next lebron. College has become farm teams for the NBA. It's also a cash cow for some players now. I'm sorry if people are willing to cheapen the game I spent so long loving, helped me have joy in my life during hard times growing up, find people who inspired me, and left a mark of wonderful memories. The 09 team will always be my favorite. After losing to KU, they came back for a purpose and proved it with no doubt. TBRO was in the gym as soon as the plane landed. They weren't distracted with being on TV and working on NIL deals. I was in hopes this current team would strive for that kind of excellence, but we can clearly see that's not the case.
But what can one middle age guy do about it, nothing. I just pick and choose my commitment level.
I think he has spent to much time on raidar. OOTb basketball thread at one time was a fairly safe space for opinions
My point is this, very little about this sport is like it was when I started watching as a kid. Progress and development is fine. But the state of the game is way off for a wide variety of reasons. I'm not pissed about the 1st 2 months. That's the problem. It's the expectancy of the product that has been created. I tend to give a pass to this group since they played during COVID in weird conditions. But they are nothing like the teams of old. They don't seem to be coached like that either.
I'm the same way. A friend once said I'd gone from being a fanatic to being a fan. When I was younger, I got really worked up during games. Now, not so much. I hope UNC wins, but if they don't, I'm not angry or even sad. I just hope they win the next one. I will admit that the Duke game is still important and it's still tough to stomach a loss to them, even though I don't live in an area with a lot of their fans.
I think... would hope... that some of this just comes with age. I get excited on game days, And, usually heated DURING the game. But, once it's over, I'm kinda done with it, win or lose. I think maybe the whole concept of the need for validation of your manhood - experienced vicariously through a team you're attached to- becomes less of a necessity as you get older.
I think... we all think the bag was a nice idea. But - not pointin' any fingers - they coulda been done better. So, how 'bout, no bags this time - but next time, we do the bags right, and then we go full regalia.
This argument resembles the one on this topic!
This argument resembles the one on this topic!
Dude, I almost dumped my new born baby girl in the floor feeding her during a dook game. I never could be near her during a game after that.
I argue both of these points have very little to do with college basketball and very much to do with you getting older.
Well, I beg to differ. It's has to do with my opinion on the current landscape. I also know I'm not alone in this. And why does this cause you so much grief? I mean you can be honestly satisfied with what's happened over the past few years. Outside of them getting hot for the tournament and making it to the chip, and catching K with his pants down twice, what's been good? If HD turns things around, and maximizes these upper classmen to focus for more than 1 game, it may be slightly enjoyable. Seeing the program get embarrassed is tiresome. I am anxious to see what he does once he has his own class of players. If it's much the same as now, or he follows Ks model of looking for 1 out players, then it won't be enjoyable anymore. You have to be old enough to remember when these things wasn't the normal. This isn't a Dean Smith or Roy Williams type team anymore. And I'm not sure HD will follow that path completely. I hope so, but I doubt it
"My perspective is always in reality."
@strummingram , How did you let that go? I found it quiet amusing
@strummingram , How did you let that go? I found it quiet amusing
LOL - for sure.
Also, the ol' ball coach got a text from a member of his mafia giving him alone the inside scoop on Ian Jackson commit to Heels - and he made it sound like G only had that inside scoop, and nobody else, based on a text he got early this afternoon, after probably at least a dozen other reputable sources had announced it was going to happen.
That's some rare, elite, exclusive inside info. I wish we all could be so connected.
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It's funny, his "inside info" always coincides with the exact time Inside Carolina's premium board drops their inside info. Surely this is a coincidence.LOL - for sure.
Also, the ol' ball coach got a text from a member of his mafia giving him alone the inside scoop on Ian Jackson commit to Heels - and he made it sound like G only had that inside scoop, and nobody else, based on a text he got early this afternoon, after probably at least a dozen other reputable sources had announced it was going to happen.
That's some rare, elite, exclusive inside info. I wish we all could be so connected.
LOL - for sure.
Also, the ol' ball coach got a text from a member of his mafia giving him alone the inside scoop on Ian Jackson commit to Heels - and he made it sound like G only had that inside scoop, and nobody else, based on a text he got early this afternoon, after probably at least a dozen other reputable sources had announced it was going to happen.
That's some rare, elite, exclusive inside info. I wish we all could be so connected.
So Gary is still a pretentious, narcissistic asshole?
Whoda thunk it.
Caution to those expecting a bona fide OAD player in Jackson. I understand he wants to be. But he’s not exceptionally skilled right now. Big upside but he’s not there yet. I actually think he chose Carolina because deep down he knows he’s not and liked the Carolina “family” program more than the UK “get ‘em in and get ‘em out” program. I mean, if you know you’re gonna have to be there more than just a pit stop, pick the one you’d like better and not just the one that supposedly can get you to the league quicker. Plus, the UK crowd eating Cal and the Texas rumors probably played a part.
But the point of the poast was to caution people thinking we have a lottery pick coming in and then leaving after one year. Jackson isn’t that. Yet. Hopefully he stays in the 24 class, which would give him time to reach closer to his potential.
But the point of the poast was to caution people thinking we have a lottery pick coming in and then leaving after one year. Jackson isn’t that. Yet. Hopefully he stays in the 24 class, which would give him time to reach closer to his potential.
@strummingram , my hats off to you for the fine entertainment thread. You made alot of fans over there. Especially after you being such a fine poaster, and they are left scratching their heads as to what just happened.
It all started with "You serious, Clark?" In response to the idea that this year's team COULD BE the best in the country. After beating the worst team in the conference.
@strummingram has picked his hill to die on, on THR and its 5 star thread!
You used to be a good poster what happened?
You used to be a good poster what happened?
OOTB may not be an army anymore, but militia works well. Strum was on that hill, sniping away. I find it hilarious he was making their heads spin. Honestly, it wouldn't be that bad if the few didn't feel so entitled over there. Do they carry on like that on premi as well?
It's so interesting that if you agree with everything a few over there post you are a "good" poster but the minute you disagree you are a bad fan or a troll!
No, premium is like 90% good stuff. We have 1 or 2 wack jobs but they don't post that often and most of the discussion is really good back and forth with respect. It's basically the eye of the Raider storm.
Does Gary and his merry band of morons still rule the roost on radar? Lol
I don't click on enough threads to know. Haven't clicked on a "Extremely Ridiculously Insanely Brief Stuff" one all year, very proud of that.
I saw ole Archer defending the guy who said AJ is too scared to ask Hubert questions which I thought was funny.
They do, and I have brought this up over there before because it comical at this point, but the refs always suck and are always against us for no apparent reason.
I agreed one day about some random shit and stroked their ego just to see what would happen and just like that I was in the club, and then in the same thread I strongly disagreed and within 45 minutes I went from a good fan to a troll that they was going to block me!
It's great!
The self-appointed authority is hilarious. And, after every game there's his expert commentary and summary. It's like he's piggybacking on AJ's site! I'm surprised Gary doesn't provide his own damned imaginary sponsors with every new Quick Stuff fluff piece. "...and this was..."
Like he flunked out of the journalism school, so he can't actually contribute on the same level as AJ, or the guys on IC, or Adam Lucas. So, he's parasitic on the FREE board of another person's enterprise. It's weird to me. I totally understand discussion of the team and games and legacy and expectations. But, that commitment to his own "article" is bizarre. AJ should charge him... or pay him... I dunno which.
Like he flunked out of the journalism school, so he can't actually contribute on the same level as AJ, or the guys on IC, or Adam Lucas. So, he's parasitic on the FREE board of another person's enterprise. It's weird to me. I totally understand discussion of the team and games and legacy and expectations. But, that commitment to his own "article" is bizarre. AJ should charge him... or pay him... I dunno which.
He could honestly be so much more, but he's not. The free board does little in the way of generating revenue for this place. If he did all that on the premi site, he probably would have been shown the door. I would love AJ's thoughts.
I'm grateful for the site and platform. It's the only social media I really participate in on any regular basis. I can even appreciate Gary's apparent love of the team and school.
CBD oils and gummies don't do anything for me, but I love the artwork on their site's presentation and content..
GFY! I often disagree with Gary’s posts but he knows more about basketball than all of you put together. Is he abrasive and arrogant? Yes, but no more than people like you and Strum.
He's definitely not at the top of that list. I understand you both have been around each other on the board for a long time and he's like a friend you have to defend. Just recognize that.
