Say what you want about this team, but if this UNC squad was the final piece that drove Gary to full blown insanity then it will have been right up there with 2009 in terms of greatness.
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I imagine this will be the end result. He'll be muttering statistics to himself as the orderlies hand out the prozac.
I never thought I would hate a UNC team, but here we are. I like Bacot, but I couldn't care less about the others. Ready for the other four to just transfer or play overseas.
I didn't wanna share the "rumor" over there, but the rumor is that Caleb shtupped RJ's girlfriend, or "took her away" from him, whatever. It was rumored that RJ and Caleb don't even really speak to each other. Again, this is all rumor, but... if it's true??? Then, it's over. I guess there was/is enough smoke somewhere to indicate a fire. I sincerely hope that did not happen. But, there has got to be something pretty glaring to create this mess.
They had the talent and camaraderie to get the the NCAAT Championship a year ago. I realize they're missing one player, and that was a big contributor. But, I do have a hard time accepting that without him, they can only manage to perform as they have without some kind of "x factor" that's causing problems. There's a lot of down-low shit, it seems.
I'll be glad when the team can move-on from Roy's final leftovers. It's unfortunate because of what they did accomplish last season. They should be better than this.
If someone snoops their social media accounts, it may help in seeing if it's between those 2. If they were bros last season at this time, verses this year, it should show up. If nothing else in pics of them hanging out. The team has imploded no doubt
there are screenshots on twitter about them moving on from something some time ago and also of them sitting beside each other at a bday party dinner.
if they in fact have “moved past it” it’s not evident anywhere except on social media…that in itself is ironic considering the last offseason with the entire “run it back” squad on social media.
if they in fact have “moved past it” it’s not evident anywhere except on social media…that in itself is ironic considering the last offseason with the entire “run it back” squad on social media.
thought it might be worth mentioning that Roy had no problem dealing with leftovers. And if there are leftovers to deal with now, the leftovers that Hubes inherited are about as good as one could hope for.
What I'm saying is I don't think leftovers is the problem. We'll see, I guess.
I’m careful not to blame either party here too much (players vs coaches). I think they share the blame fairly equally. The players are not a great fit for what Hubert wants and I do think there are some difficult personalities. But the coaches have not managed them well at all from a strategy standpoint or from an interpersonal standpoint. As much as we suck, there’s a lot of blame to go around.
just to be clear, I didn't mean to suggest that the players are not the problem or at least part of it. I am saying I don't think the problems we're seeing are because the players are leftovers from Roy. As I mentioned, Roy also inherited leftovers and I'd say he did rather well with them. Obviously a coach would probably rather have his own players to coach, but at the same time a coach would love to have a wealth of talent dropped in his lap, and that's what I think Hubes got.
We know what these guys are capable of under the coaching of HD; and even expecting some dropoff from losing Manek, the performance we're witnessing is unfathomable. I didn't even watch the WF game (listened to some of it on the radio) and that's maybe a first for me. It is just too depressing.
I'm probably Caleb's biggest defender on the board (outside of that one wack job on Raider) but man he seems like a freaking nightmare to coach.
Outside of him though, we have really coachable dudes. I put more of the blame on our chemistry (I don't think we like each other) and HD's inability to trust in game coaching changes. This was an area where Roy was just light years ahead, he could make a major adjustment without calling a TO. HD won't do it.
HD is also a control freak. He forces them to call set pieces after a made basket or dead ball. The only time we could ever run is on a missed shot. That's a huge mistake and another very different thing than Roy was doing.
I thought he'd be more confident this year but he's just not and if anything he's just more stubborn. I do wonder how much him and Roy talk (I think a lot) and how much Roy is helping him (unknown).
All I can say is, Hubert is fortunate he can recruit. I think it's fair to give him a chance to prove what he can do with guys he brings in. But if he can't corral this group of talent into a tournament team at the bare minimum, then it's not a good sign.
He definitely has enough talent to at least make the NCAA tournament. They really shouldn't be struggling this much at all. They don't have to be really high seed but they definitely should make it easily into the tournament. This isn't some drop off year where he lost 67% of his starters. He brought all of them but one back.
But if we're being honest, those starters are average players. Last March made people forget how these players have played since they've been here.
Looked much better today. Bacot got in their heads. Hopefully this starts their season
i just wish hubert would press more with this roster…but yeah, much better distribution, shot selection, and energy.
I agree and I hope you are right but did it get better or did we just hit 10 threes that the normally miss?
Nah we played better defense, had way better shot selection, passed better, and got a ton more from bench guys especially Puff today.
Rj and especially love shot better but a lot of that was because of way better shot selection and passing to open men
Anytime dook loses its a good day how wlevery it happens but they for hosed at the end of regulation.
That Chappelle guy is attempting to emerge as the 3rd guru on raidar. I see @gunslingerdick has taken a liking to him
How in the hell is UNC a 5.5 point favorite over the highest ranked ACC team??? I realize it's a home game... but, damn!
I know it’s driven by real bets coming in but taking Miami and the points seems like a pretty good bet. This heels team hasn’t put together two very good games in a row all season IMO.
Feels like a trap! "My mother's life on Miami, please!" Next thing you know, you're singing Will The Circle Be Unbroken!
I was stunned to see the line as well. But the funny thing is, Vegas usually gets close even though that's not really their objective. They obviously know what they're doing. But just as a reminder, they don't set the line on what they think will happen. They set the line in an effort to get the same amount of betting on both sides. Maybe they know something about the betting habits of UNC basketball bettors that we don't.
Yeah, KenPom has this closer to a 1.5 line...Vegas knows how lopsided the action would be if they set the line there.
Should have been easy money to take Miami.
If they manage to make the tournament, they won't make it past the first weekend.
This game was never really close.
If they manage to make the tournament, they won't make it past the first weekend.
This game was never really close.
It still amazes me how this team could be so good with just that one other player. And, without him, this year, they are struggling more than last year. HD barely played the bench last year, so I don't know how that is much of a factor this year. Beyond my understanding.
Alot of our problem is not being prepared to play! It almost like the staff doesn't know how to prepare the guys for game day!
We haven't improved one bit since the beginning of the year matter of fact I think we have regressed. Shot selection is brutal, basketball IQ doesn't exist, and in games adjustments we don't even try!
Saturday against Clemson was fools gold, anytime you make 15 3's you are going to win and you are going to look good doing it. But that's no sustainable, I'm so over this years team this staff all of it!
I have to admit back in the days when Dean was coaching I would wonder what would life be like without Dean….man I have to say I never thought it would be this bad. But ever since Dean retired, and other than a couple of good years from Roy, Carolina basketball has never been the same. There are games that we frequently lose that dean would have never lost. I miss the “real Carolina basketball”.
I will be glad when this bunch leaves and we can start over. Not sure what we really have since the bench rarely plays they may be good they may suck even more who knows but this blows my mind.
and there were games that Roy and even Hubert won that Dean might very well have lost. Dean was a genius at running a program but he lacked the cutthroat win-at-all- costs character of a coach K...which is a good thing. We won with Roy because his character and motivation was something in between those two. I loved Dean but he could bring about some frustration for those who think we should win everything all the time (which of course we should), mostly because he lost games that probably shouldn't have been lost..
In other words, don't discount Roy compared to Dean and keep our fingers crossed that Hubert is capable of producing something better than what we are seeing.
I think it amazes you, because you are just remembering last March instead of last season. We were a bubble team last year, that got hot at the right time. No different than the mid major that makes a Cinderella run to the final four. The only reason we were ranked so high preseason was because of Bacot and our name is UNC.
Well, that and the fact that we had finished in "2nd place" and returned everyone except a guy who couldn't even get drafted. Also, there seems to be no one in CBB that is dominate this year. But, you are spot on about the March run and the recency bias it created. It's one of the reasons many of us expressed that the expectations were way tooo high.
Roy and Dean's winning % was almost identical. Dean won 2 Natty's in 36 years, Roy won 3 in exactly half that time. They went to the Final Four at a nearly identical % (and Dean had it much easier to get there in the 60s with fewer rounds in the NCAAs).
You're glorifying your own nostalgia and shitting on one of the greatest coaches in NCAA history and a guy who led us to 3 national titles.
That's shitty, be better.
Almost any other team has that type of run ignored. And let's be honest, those players that returned weren't that great. We have a bunch of average to below average starters with the exception of Bacot and maybe RJ. Even RJ isn't the player he could be because he's playing out of position. We would have been better off if Leakey and Love didn't come back.
I stand by what I said. You are welcome to your was well.
Roy and Dean's winning % was almost identical. Dean won 2 Natty's in 36 years, Roy won 3 in exactly half that time. They went to the Final Four at a nearly identical % (and Dean had it much easier to get there in the 60s with fewer rounds in the NCAAs).
You're glorifying your own nostalgia and shitting on one of the greatest coaches in NCAA history and a guy who led us to 3 national titles.
That's shitty, be better.
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