Word is the NCAA dropped a couple of issues...but still want to bust our arse.
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Word is the NCAA dropped a couple of issues...but still want to bust our arse.
At this point I've almost stopped caring about what happens with the hearings and notices. Unless the NCAA completely reverses course, this will end up in court. Once it gets to court, I'll start paying closer attention to it again.
Roy is one of the best recruiters there is ..... cut him some slack ...... hell get it done, bigs xand all ... for the great good of the Heels!!!
I've long since stopped trying to pretend this is ending anytime soon. We could have handled this way better and be done with it by now.
By rolling over? Ask the football team how that worked out or ask UL basketball how that worked out. I'm glad that we took a stand. Punishment was going to happen either way. Might as well try to knock the NCAA down a peg or two.
Is it rolling over? I don't know. It seemed pragmatic that after the second NOA we just accept whatever was coming (no football or basketball mentioned) and get on with trying get recruiting back in proper shape.
I'm of the minority in the sense that I do feel we did something wrong. Even if we get by on a technicality, I don't like the fact that has becoming a black stain on our legacy.
I think it's silly to have been harping on an easy class this long. If that class was for athletes only, then yeah that's bad. I like that we have taken a stand. Baffles me that it takes this long to resolve. I can see why the university took the stand. The NCAA want wins vacated. They want to smear dean smith. As well as remove a championship. Not counting the smear campaign leads by the Abcers. I want us to walk away unscathed. I don't think we've done bad, several deep runs 2 appearances with 1 championship under our belts. And it was done the same way as before.
No matter what, we've gotten NCAAs attn in that they know they better not mess with the Heels! We are so lawyered up, they know we'll ruin them if they try anything untoward!
I really think this is what's taking so long ...the NCAA trying to find the back door to get out and save face! And us helping them to exit quietly!
UNCwill want admissions and promises they not pull a stunt like this again. We have already cleaned up our act so let's both back off and get back to business!
It's taking this long to resolve because we're purposefully dragging out the process. I think last year during the second NOA we were in a position to get a mere slap on the wrist and instead we threw a rock at the NCAA.
I'm not a fan of the NCAA any more than anyone else on this site, they're hypocrites to the highest degree. But I don't want this to drag out for so many years that it becomes the norm. F**k going to court, just get a probation period, a loss in scholarships, and be done with it. We could've had something like that.
If we had rolled over we probably would have been banned from the tourney the last two years, which would have really sucked considering we went to two championship games and won one. We'd also be in worse shape for upcoming seasons due to the loss of scholarships.
It seems ultimately winnable for UNC, it may take awhile, but I'm fine with that as opposed to the alternative.
If you think that`s all that would have happened then you haven`t been paying attention.
Going to court is what you do when faced with an injustice. When your opponent is corrupt as Sankey & the NCAA are, then the court system offers a fair playing field. The NC2A shot for the moon and still are as far as i can see, and at this point in time, there has been no common ground between them & us.
They want blood . . . we're not in any blood donor mood.
I have, and it's exhausting.
I have no idea what would have happened but I'm just sick of this thing hanging over our heads like a black cloud.
Does no one else besides me think that the university did something wrong by allowing these bogus classes to happen? That's all I'm asking.
I don't accept the use of the word "bogus", but,yes, I think most of us think the university erred in numerous ways, particularly in the lack of oversight of a particular department.
This kid had such promise. But this ...
I can't forgive.
Unless maybe he brings home another 'ship, then we'll talk.
I can't forgive.
Unless maybe he brings home another 'ship, then we'll talk.
I think we can all agree the classes failed to meet the university's standards. The disagreement is whether it was an academic or athletic issue. In the absence of a smoking gun, there's no reason to pin it squarely on athletics. Also, when you read through tweets from Walter Byers, you realize how frequently much more egregious examples occurred at other schools without the NCAA batting an eye.
At this point, the general public is already convinced that UNC is a cheater. The outcome of the case doesn't matter to them. That's why I'm hoping the case will go to court anyway so at least the university can get vindication. UNC will absolutely destroy the NCAA for failure to adhere to its own bylaws. I want to poke the NCAA right in the eye and tell the ABCers to stick it where the sun don't shine.
You're trying to conflate two issues here, that's where you are going wrong. Yes, what the school did was wrong, but the issue here is if it was technically against NCAA rules. Let's compare this to something that recently happened in the real world. There were a group of kids that recorded a man drowning, but they didn't try to save him or call 911. Where they wrong for doing that? Absolutely. Is there a law saying they have to help? No. Should they go to jail? I think they should from a moral prospective, but they didn't break a law so they can't be charged with a crime.
Effing wundertul . . . we'll throw a party for crissakes.
GFY
Okay, well we agree on that at least.
I can get behind that comparison. And Walter Byers has also shed some much needed light on this issue as well. We were certainly not the only ones to do something like this in order to keep athletes eligible. I don't mind getting off on a technicality, because if this goes to court that's probably what will happen. But I would also like to think the school has learned something from this.
You just had to use a teddy bear that sounds like Peter Griffin to make your dramatic return didn't you?
Btw, I'm also frustrated as hell that we haven't offered anyone for 2018 yet. We need one more solid recruit to go with Leaky and Coby.
I hope they have. I know they have made changes in how things operate. I guess we will find out if that makes a difference.
I would love to get an elite level big. Not necessarily a OAD, just someone with a higher upside than what we have now. It might end up being ok as is, but this is unchartered territory for Roy. All of his teams have been built around big guys. This team is built around guards. It will be interesting to see how Roy adjusts.
4 out and 1 in? Maye can stretch the floor at the 4, I have a hard time seeing UNC starting 2 freshmen bigs but who knows.
That's kind of what I was thinking. A lot of small ball with Theo and Maye at the four. Roy has played some small ball in the past, but it's not something he goes to a lot. It's going to be interesting to see if he goes against what he has done in the past or if he tries to give 2 of the freshman bigs a lot of burn.
That's the biggest issue for me as well. The kind of game Roy likes to play requires high level big men. Currently, we have none.
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The lack of sense of humor on radar over Julez poasting this is pretty remarkable.
#3 is the only one that is close to accurate, but I'd argue that the school wasn't admitting they were at fault, but that the people they fired were at fault. And the people they fired were academics, not athletics.
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He's probably talking about mccants. That's usually what moo fans hang their hat on.
They have basically stopped going after the classes and now only are after impermissible benefits. They are saying the counselors steered the kids into the classes where general students had to find out about the classes on their own. Basically the counselors did their job. It ends up in court I think. I don't see any way it doesn't.
I'm a little confused about the kids having to find out about classes on their own. How exactly does that differ from any class that a student signs up for? As a regular student I had two options, find the class for myself or go to a student counselor to find out about it. Did the athletes have to know some kind of super secret handshake to sign up for the class?
Yeah, it is all about steering as an IB to me. However, they are also saying it isn't about the classes. So they are saying UNC gave athletes too much access to the classes, but they don't really go after the classes. I don't see how they can claim anything about steering if they don't question the validity of the classes. Again, seems like they are saying they were doing their job. They claim it is a IB because other schools were at a disadvantage.
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