Yeah, love this start to the class. Apparently he catches everything and is super athletic.
OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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The job is woods’ to lose. Coach has invested way too much to not give him the opportunity. Unfortunately imo the team wil suffer for it early on and eventually woods will lose the job. I hope like hell i’m wrong. But he showed no improvement last season. Hes just doesnt have the pg instincts. If he shows up with a better shot and can play defense he will get plenty of playing time at the 2 i would think.
I don't think there is going to be much available at the two. Kenny will get at least 25 minutes there. I'm guessing Coby will get a decent amount of those minutes left over. If Woods can't figure it out at point guard, he won't see much time on the court.
What has he invested other than a scholarship for the past 2 years?
We all know Roy's style and "procedures."
Well... we think we have a pretty good idea.
I'm sure Woods is a fairly competent fill-in for a starter as long as he is at UNC. But, has he showed ANY kind of ability to run that offense as a starter? I guess I just have forgotten, assuming I ever saw it.
No, he hasn’t. But then again he’s been injured 75% of his time here and played behind Joel Berry with a VERY short leash. I’m not saying he’s the answer I’m just saying he hasn’t had his shot until now.
We're going to get to see exactly what he can do. I think we all agree there. If he can find a spark, great.
Dang man you havent followed his recruiting. Roy’s been after him since like 9th grade. Countless hours put in recruiting him. Especially after scar came after him so hard.
I followed his recruiting very closely. We recruit every kid hard, even if they've committed early you always see Roy at their games.
So because Roy liked him when he was 13 means that he has to keep playing him at risk of having him lose us games? Nah.
Woods has also received group and one-on-one instruction like any other player on the roster, and has been groomed to take over the position.
I thought Seventh started to show some flashes of improvement last season. His shot still needs some work, and he needs to cut down the fouls, but he started trying to get to the hoop more often and he made some nice defensive plays as well. His assist-to-turnover ratio was 20:12 (1.7:1) with 6 steals, which is more than respectable.
Here are his per-40 stats from last season:
6.3 Pts / 4.0 Rebs / 6.0 PFs (yikes) / 5.7 Ast / 3.4 TOs / 1.7 Stl / 0.3 Blk
I'd take 25 mpg, 5 ppg, 5 apg and 2-3 TOs out of Woods next year in a heartbeat.
Remember when i said before last season that jb would not be drafted 1st rd and would be lucky to go in the 2nd? The resident expert had an aneurysm and called me an idiot. Good times.
You should bring that up in the NBA Draft thread over there. I need some entertainment today.
It doesn't look like he'll make it past summer league either since they drafted a guard in the second round. I've always said that Berry's best shot is playing overseas and there is nothing wrong with that. He can make more money doing that than pretty much everyone on this site.
I agree. And its not hating on him. Heaven forbid people like us take off our tar heel blue glasses from time to time and try to be objective about a players skill set.
That’s something Gary and the rest of his minions will never grasp.
Sure. And I basically agree that Joel isn't really an NBA player. But it's weird to me that GMs are more likely to take a flyer on a guy that averaged 6 ppg in a shit league just because "he has length" (Greek Freak's brother) over a guy that may be on the smallish side but has proved he can play, lead and win at the highest college level.
Risk/reward gamble there. Joel will probably be a nice addition to most nba teams with some more development. But he’ll never be a dominant player that propels you deep into the playoffs. The Freak’s little brother could develop into an all-pro caliber rim protector and rebounder. Look at Capela from Houston.
Well, it's possible Joel could make that Lakers roster, because if they end up making the plays for the players they are trying to land (Lebron James, Kawhi Leonard, Paul George), they are going to have to move a lot of money around, and an undrafted rookie won't cost that much to keep around.
*could. But what are the chances? IMO, very low. What are the chances that Greek Freak's little brother becomes a player that can outperform Berry? That I don't know and I guess that's what GMs get paid to determine. But it's just odd to me that GMs are always willing - not sometimes willing - but always willing to take the gamble on the unproven guy versus the taken a known commodity. That wasn't the case 30 years ago and IMO, the league was more solid from top to bottom when GMs were more "careful" with their personnel.
Right. And Joel would be an ideal spot up shooter for LeBron. He might struggle to defend NBA PGs but I have no doubt that he could become a very reliable spot up shooter from 3.
GMs rarely gamble in the lottery anymore. Look how far Giles fell 2 years ago. Look how far Porter or the kid from A&M fell based on injuries and attitude. The 2nd round is where the gamble comes in. Most of these teams have a serviceable player like Joel or Theo already on the roster or in the G-League. But very few have a Capela type. It’s worth the gamble in the 2nd.
Why is it worth it? Because 70% of the time they end up with nothing out of the deal. Sure, 1 in 4 is a hit and they end up with a Clint Capella. But most of the time, they end up with a player that provides little to nothing. I'm arguing that a proven 4 year college guy is at least guaranteed to offer something.
They've already have guards on the roster who aren't making much. Their roster is just too crowded right now. Best case scenario Joel gets a two way contract and plays a minute or two a game, but spends most of the year in the D league. Most likely scenario, he stays in the D league or goes overseas.
Most teams already have what Joel offers, so they pass. If Joel works at his craft long enough, he’ll be a decent back up. There’s just so little value in that compared to nabbing a guy late who blossoms into an all-pro defender.
Oh, I agree that I don't think he gets a ton of PT, but just depends on who they are willing to move around. I do think he'd spend a fair amount of time in the G League.
If it happened with greater frequency, more guys like him would be going in the first round. I’m not much of a nba fan, but they’ve gotten a lot better at drafting for the most part. There are still reaches, but not likein years past.
You need a legit star and a few really, really good players to win. Most years, teams draft pieces hoping to trade for a star.
That is indeed how the NBA works today. But history shows us that there is more than one way to skin a cat.
It would be if they were dogs. But we're talking cats.
Unless Pinson figures out how to make a three, I don't see him making a team unless it's a two way contract.
i assume you're talking about the college basketball board bet or are you referring to the terrible mistake (Little not being OAD) @gunslingerdick made on this board?
