Good to cut the deficit in half, but I'm not feeling confident we can get the comeback. Too big of a hole I think.
OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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Those two guards are the key.
Fortunately Manek is shooting like a madman.
Give'em credit, they didn't fold and just give up. I wish HD would have called a TO and drawn-up some kind of offensive play on that last possession. Davis just solo'ed and got nothing
the dookies also didn't play their best when Carolina made its comeback. Maybe UNC's defense threw them off. I dunno. I do think the dookies are more talented and they have a deeper bench.
Love and Davis have to get on-track
I don't think the talent gap is that big. We have talented players, but not a talented team.
I disagree. the dookies have players that will go straight to the draft this year. We don't.
I miss being elite. I miss these games with both teams being top 10
Seems it's already been a while.
It's going to be interesting to see how Scheyer does for duke. K is leaving them in better shape than Roy left Hubert, but they are probably making the same mistake we did. I would hate for this to become a regional rivalry instead of a national one.
Scheyer will be loaded with the #1 recruiting class and guys coming back (those who don't go pro, that is).
Now, I don't know what Scheyer will do, but it cannot be understated how Roy did not leave Hubert Davis with a full cupboard like Scheyer will have. It's not even remotely close. RW had two terrible seasons in a row and left Davis with Styles and Dunn as his new recruiting class.
Roy also left Davis with Davis. He might turn out to be a HOF coach and I hope he does, but it was a bad hire based on the facts.
You mean he left Hubert Davis with Hubert Davis? (not RJ)
I didn't want HD to be the coach. But, I'm trying to be fair to the guy. I know he LOVES the university and UNC Basketball. I'm trying to give him a chance. Under the circumstances, it's not THAT bad. I realize it sucks to lose these big games by 20+ points... that sucks. But, I was expecting a .500 season at best, for the first year. He's won more than I thought he would. The team wins 4 in a row and everyone refocuses. Then, he loses another game to a Top 10 team, and everyone wants him fired. UNC fans are some of the most entitled, fair-weather cry-babies I've ever seen.
Yes, I meant Hubert. Although RJ would work too.
I agree with all of that and I don't think he should be fired after this year, but all of what you said is appropriate for a WF or a Clemson type program. It shouldn't happen at UNC. Especially considering how things were the last couple of years.
16-7 record so far overall including 8-4 in ACC, all 4 losses to teams ahead of us in standings!!! Obviously losses hurt and we all want to win every game but this is pretty much the same team that went 18-10 last season and lost in 1st round to Wisconsin by 23!!! Sometimes people need to have REALISTIC expectations and just enjoy the freedom to watch or not watch, if that’s what you choose to do, a game that for me takes my mind off of real-life drama for a couple hours!!
I know that Roy Williams is basically Dean Smith version 2. RW has made the program as successful as Dean ever did over the last 19 years. His banners and records are all over the place. HD is the price we are going to pay for having RW as our coach for 19 years.
It's not like the team is stacked like the 1997-98 team. Those guys could have played without a coach and gone to the FF.
As a first-year head coach, I think Davis has gotten as much as anyone out of this patchwork group.
The problem most people are having is how bad those losses have been. Purdue is the only one we've been competitive in.
And, another little detail that I don't see people acknowledging. HD, and this mediocre UNC team, just happened to be playing a LOADED dook team that is still coached by, begrudgingly, one of the greatest NCAA basketball coaches in history. Coach K was going to bring his very best, believe that. UNC needed to lay a perfect game to even have a chance.
And I agree but tonight I didn’t see us fold in the first half and honestly if some of our open shots fall to begin each half we aren’t talking about a 20 pt blowout loss… I honestly sat on the couch in the 1st half hoping we wouldn’t lose by 40 but we actually had a chance to cut the lead to single digits at the half
I agree with that. The margin of loss really fvcking blows.
When those two guards are not clicking, it can get ugly.
HD should have called a timeout on that last possession in the 1st half. Then, dook beat us 10-0 in the first few mins of the 2nd half.
This team is a point guard away from playing consistently at the level we expect. There's enough talent to cover it up against average competition, but every time we play a GOOD team it becomes glaringly obvious that we don't have someone who can initiate the offense, get the ball where it needs to be, and on defense STAY IN FRONT of the opposing guards. And thus we are reduced to individual hero ball while the opponent effortlessly generates offense and ball movement through penetration. With an actual distributor at the 1 we'd be pretty damn good. A smidgen of depth in the post wouldn't hurt either but the PG is what makes it all work and we just don't have one that has that mindset/skillset/vision.
in my opinion Roy has screwed this program twice. first in the summer of 2000 by turning down the job, which led to the Doherty debacle ... and again in 2021 by leaving the next coach with a Clemson talent level team.
Not having a true PG is definitely our biggest issue. I don't think fixing that problem would make us a team that is at the level we expect though. Could probably get us into the top 25 and possibly the Sweet 16.
we have ONE true post player and we have almost no quality depth. the problems are much deeper than having a true PG, IMO.
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Interesting point. He brought greats years and natty's, but he's kinda associated with a few of the most horrific seasons since Dean got going. Hard to hate him or blame him for either but these are facts.
Without a good half-court floor general you better have great D which yields TO's and defensive boards which yield fast breaks. We have neither.
I think another issue we have as a program is that we don't really have an identity, which is weird for a blueblood. duke has their villain identity, uk has their OAD identity and we don't really have one. I don't think we've had one since the late 90s to be honest. Before that we were the home of NBA stars. That was our identity. We don't have any of those anymore. I think Roy won so much and was a good enough coach that nobody really paid attention to that.
no offense but that might be the most homer comment i've ever seen. surely you dont believe that, right? if so, lets check the 2022 NBA draft and reconvene
College talent and NBA talent aren't always the same. duke doesn't have 20 points more worth of talent.no offense but that might be the most homer comment i've ever seen. surely you dont believe that, right? if so, lets check the 2022 NBA draft and reconvene
ETA: Roy's teams are the perfect example of that. He had a shit load of talent while he was here and none of them turned out to be anywhere close to that in the NBA.
Family could be the identity, which resulted in hiring from within (for better or worse).
Yeah I kinda think our identity is keeping high rated guys for 3-4 years. At least it was the case with the Paige, Meeks, Hicks, Justin, JB, McAdoo era. Teams used to bitch that we won because "Roy forced them to stay in college." Last few years, not so much.
We are a mid major blue blood. If Hubert could get the recruits to pop. I know we had some in house for the game the other night. Question is did they think, If I was out there I could really help ........ (dook or UNC)
He needs horses. What we have will fill the void till he gets his complete team. Hopefully that gives him time to build his own identity with players.
I wish Roy could have left him with a complete team. Roy had horses when he came. He added a piece or 2 and made it happen. But roy brought some of his people over as well. HD decided to fill the bench with UNC alumni. This is what worries me. That this will be an experiment to see if a hybrid flavor of UNC basketball will work, with all UNC guys at the helm. Also, Roy should have shipped him out somewhere for at least a year or 2 to see how well he coached. He could have left Robinson to cover for a few years
I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but duke is the team that everyone hates. They've had that identity for as long as I can remember.
I thought everyone loved Gerald Henderson and Grayson Allen?
I'm not really sure that's an identity. Maybe an ACC identity, but non ACC fans don't know that Bacot is a junior. Without the winning or pro players, we're just Indiana.
