And has had a heck of an NBA career.
OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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I thought Roy actually kept him on the bench way too long and he should have been starting over Ginyard.
Not calling out Strum specifically, but not sure why you guys are all hung up on year four? I think if Hubert misses the tournament again he's done. Cadeau's probably going to join this year's team, and Jackson likely as not decommits if we look crappy again next year (he may either way). Not likely any savior class coming in '24.
On a more optimistic note, I don't see why we can't be a top 15-20 team again. Just have to add a couple good portal wings. Swap Nance for Terrence Shannon this year and we're probably around that range. We're not that far off, and I wouldn't give Hubert any slack. Missing the tournament again (or even being some 9-10 seed) is inexcusable given what we can offer. I'm rooting for him but we can't be that bad again.
I seriously doubt they will fire Hubs if UNC misses the NCAAT next season. I mean, unless it's some abysmal showing like 8-20, or something ugly like that, maybe .500 for the season and obviously missing the NCAA. But, let's say next season is identical (in record and overall performance), I don't think they will fire him. They just extended his contract and he went to the NCAA Championship a year ago.
But, you may also be right about the potential for a much better season. I don't have a clue because I don't play, coach, or really know a helluva lot about basketball.
Which should mean zero if you trying to build a championship team.
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The main reason is because we're UNC and he's "family." The other reasons:
- He went to the championship game (doesn't matter that it was hot at the right time situation)
- He's doing pretty good in recruiting
- He's Roy's pick
- He'll have "his guys"
And if we're being honest, a small but honest reason is that he's black.
At first I thought it was going to say 32 shots per game. Interesting stat, though
yep, it's one of those lists that you expect it to say:
"One of these doesn't belong . . . "
Long read and basically confirmed things that were already suspected, but interesting to hear quotes from parents.
theathletic.com
The Carolina Blues: How UNC's made-for-championship season turned disastrous
One season after playing in the national title game, the preseason No. 1 team was excluded from the NCAA Tournament.
theathletic.com
Details? You have to subscribe.Long read and basically confirmed things that were already suspected, but interesting to hear quotes from parents.
The Carolina Blues: How UNC's made-for-championship season turned disastrous
One season after playing in the national title game, the preseason No. 1 team was excluded from the NCAA Tournament.
Weird, it opened up without a subscription for me. I'll post some quotes when I get back to a computer. On my phone now.
@nctransplant
"They had this laissez-faire, la la la, we’re getting all this good publicity,” another parent said"
“I don’t think any of those kids,” Dennis Love said, “were really prepared for what came with having that No. 1 label on your back.”
"The Love situation was especially tricky. One school of thought, according to multiple team sources, was that Love could be selfish at times, worried more about proving himself for the NBA than what was best for the team. “Likes to chuck the ball,” one NBA scout said, “and given a lot of freedom in doing so.” But, that same scout said, there was also a need — on a roster with inconsistent parts — for someone to take those shots"
"One parent told The Athletic that before Christmas, their son commented that the team needed to care more about every aspect of the game. “You’ve got to care about the scoring,” that parent recalled, “but you’ve gotta care about everything else, too: defense, passing the ball.”
"a person close to one player said. “It’s a combination of (Hubert), his staff, and the players, and the leadership — or lack thereof — that was seen for 30 games.”
"I would say there was probably like, 5 percent out of 100 of accountability, in and out of practice and games,” a person close to a player said. “There was barely any.”
"They had this laissez-faire, la la la, we’re getting all this good publicity,” another parent said"
“I don’t think any of those kids,” Dennis Love said, “were really prepared for what came with having that No. 1 label on your back.”
"The Love situation was especially tricky. One school of thought, according to multiple team sources, was that Love could be selfish at times, worried more about proving himself for the NBA than what was best for the team. “Likes to chuck the ball,” one NBA scout said, “and given a lot of freedom in doing so.” But, that same scout said, there was also a need — on a roster with inconsistent parts — for someone to take those shots"
"One parent told The Athletic that before Christmas, their son commented that the team needed to care more about every aspect of the game. “You’ve got to care about the scoring,” that parent recalled, “but you’ve gotta care about everything else, too: defense, passing the ball.”
"a person close to one player said. “It’s a combination of (Hubert), his staff, and the players, and the leadership — or lack thereof — that was seen for 30 games.”
"I would say there was probably like, 5 percent out of 100 of accountability, in and out of practice and games,” a person close to a player said. “There was barely any.”
Some of the stats in that article were pretty interesting. Basically said Love was a horrible shooter, Nance should have been used differently and Hubert should have used his bench more. All things we knew, but seeing it with stats was pretty crazy. Just flat out horrible.
Not sure the point of that article. I never get that kind of thing. I want to tell journalists that telling me what already happened isn't ground breaking. You want to impress me? Tell me what's going to happen next.
People like to hear an inside story, especially when it comes from a school that is traditionally good at hiding that stuff.
Yeah, ok. Maybe. Personally, I have no desire to read that or anything like it. Last season is over. Rehashing it does nothing for me as a fan except irritate me. And it humors me that writer thinks he broke some big story to the point he teased it on twitter yesterday. I see it more as a guy with little to write except a hit piece on a coach who currently has iffy support from his fan base. In other words, it was low hanging fruit and this guy, in absence of anything creative, took it.
Again, impress me by giving me inside info on what's going to happen. Not what already happened.
I get your point, but it's Carolina and an article like that drives clicks. That's all that matters. Not everyone is AJ or THI.
Yeah, because you're a UNC fan. It wasn't meant for us. Imagine it was a Duke article after one of their failed seasons. People like watching high profile people/teams/companies/etc burn, especially ones they already dislike. Success breeds contempt. It's not that hard to understand; I'm sure it got lots of clicks.
Fair enough. I suppose he may get one more year after 23/24 as long as it's not super bleak. But if (and it's a big if, I really hope he succeeds) we have one season of missing the tourney and one as a middling 8 seed the next two years I hope we move on, no matter which order those occur in. At least one of the next two years should be a top 4/5 seed at a minimum.
I’d be less inclined to read the same story about duke or any other team. Seems strange.
What already happened is what’s gonna happen next
Is this part of that confusing #timestamps fad from a few years ago?
yeah, let's leave that 'they hate us cause they ain't us crap' to the bluedevil crowd. It might be true, but there's no need to put it on a banner and wave it around.
Doherty is an outcast for far different reasons. i still say Hubert is our bball John Bunting.
I don't think he's an outcast anymore. If I remember correctly, the last time he was at the Dean Dome he was cheered. I also think he's participated in some documentaries about UNC as well. Time can heal wounds.
yeah i should have said "was an outcast." Dean's passing helped him a lot. he made an absolute mess of the basketball admin / office within 3 months of being given the job ... Dean had a huge problem with that.
Really? Keep in mind I didn't say excited about the season, I was talking about the ridiculous situation we are in. That's two different things.
The quicker Ian Jackson and/or Cadeau can get on campus the better IMO. But yea we’re in unchartered waters I agree.
