The box score says Pitt was 13-29 on 3's but that's a DAMN LIE. Those sumbitches made at least 20 in the second half alone...
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The box score says Pitt was 13-29 on 3's but that's a DAMN LIE. Those sumbitches made at least 20 in the second half alone...
Pitt outshot us from the field, 55.6% to 50% . .
Pitt was 13/29 (44.8%) from 3Land
UNC 9/24 (37.5%)
Free Throws
Pitt 5/5 (100%)
UNC 13/19 (68.4%)
Another 2 point game from Kenny. Britt had more minutes than KW (23-17) but he only managed to contribute 2 points as well. 4 points from the 2 spot . . geesus.
Pitt was 13/29 (44.8%) from 3Land
UNC 9/24 (37.5%)
Free Throws
Pitt 5/5 (100%)
UNC 13/19 (68.4%)
Another 2 point game from Kenny. Britt had more minutes than KW (23-17) but he only managed to contribute 2 points as well. 4 points from the 2 spot . . geesus.
I'm just glad Kenny wasn't injured and came back in the game.
Serious question and I'm not picking on anyone: Why is everyone so surprised when Kenny doesn't score? He's like.....not anywhere close to as good as Meeks, Hicks, Berry, Jackson
As am I . . though he hardly scores much, his length & steady play on defense is a major asset for us. I just wish, like I have for several years now, that we could get some offensive production from the 2.
This has been our Achille's heel for several seasons now. And it hurts our team when our best long distance marksman is our PG. It's the main reason why I was so glad to see us sign Platek, I think he's a legitimate long range gunner.
Agreed, brother. I don't mean this disrespectfully at all but Platek seems like a "Duke" type of player......in that his skill-set is "pure shooter." He seems like one of those random Dukies like Melchioni whose sole purpose is to pop 3s and he's quite good at it.
Our teams the past few years have desperately been lacking a pure 3-ball shooter. In my opinion.
My keys going forward.
* Getting Theo back and staying healthy. Nuff said.
* Improving on defense, specifically perimeter defense. Stop helping down for goodness sake!
* Improving our zone offense, we're going to see a lot of zone hereafter.
* Never, ever forgetting that our strength is points in the paint. Ever!
* Continue to rebound at a high level.
* Continue to make the extra pass and get quality shots.
If we do these basic, fundamental things, we can win it all.
* Getting Theo back and staying healthy. Nuff said.
* Improving on defense, specifically perimeter defense. Stop helping down for goodness sake!
* Improving our zone offense, we're going to see a lot of zone hereafter.
* Never, ever forgetting that our strength is points in the paint. Ever!
* Continue to rebound at a high level.
* Continue to make the extra pass and get quality shots.
If we do these basic, fundamental things, we can win it all.
I don't count on Platek doing much next year. Hope I'm wrong.
The two guard is an issue but I'm not sure what the fix is (unless Theo comes back). I hate Berry and Britt together. I would prefer Britt and Woods play together rather than Britt and Berry. It just hasn't worked well. Personally, I would rather Robinson play more and Britt less tbh but that won't happen. Williams does a lot of good things he is just not shooting as well as we need him to.
The two guard is an issue but I'm not sure what the fix is (unless Theo comes back). I hate Berry and Britt together. I would prefer Britt and Woods play together rather than Britt and Berry. It just hasn't worked well. Personally, I would rather Robinson play more and Britt less tbh but that won't happen. Williams does a lot of good things he is just not shooting as well as we need him to.
I thought the movement against the zone was much better. There were too many risky passes we made in the first half and we missed some shots but the movement was good. I don't think we screen the zone nearly enough. Just because it is a zone doesn't mean you can't set screens.
WTF, man?
As far as tonight's game goes, we were not consistent on defense. We played well defensively at times and even then Pitt made contested shots, but then other possessions we were asleep. That's disappointing.
Nate didn't score much - good lord his shooting has left him - but he had a few really nice passes after beating his man off the bounce. One in particular was with the clock winding down and we needed someone to make a play.
Hicks was the best player on the floor. I thought he played really well defensively and he was super aggressive (but under control) on the offensive end. Passed it well too.
Berry has fallen in love with the 3 point shot. He drove for the big bucket towards the end of the game. He converted and got the foul. He needs to look to penetrate more often.
I read a crazy stat today about Pinson. In ACC play, when Pinson plays, we have 45 more assists than TOs. When he doesn't, we have 10 more TOs than assists. We need him badly.
I don't really understand all of the worrying about scoring from the two this year. No matter who plays there they are going to be the 5th option. We don't need 10+ points from our 5th option.
While that is true, it would be nice to have someone that could step up IF and WHEN they were needed. Nate and KW aren't making many Heels fans confident that they can do that.
Looks like his little buddy behind him was making a Kaepernick statement during the anthem.
Going to take a peek next door and see how folks are responding to that close one last night. BRB.
I was looking at the standings and schedule going forward, and UVA has a nice setup down the stretch. They only play against ranked teams 4 more times, and get 3 of those 4 at home (Duke in their only head to head matchup; Louisville, who UVA already beat on the road, and us in a home and home). FSU also has a pretty favorable back half, with only two games remaining against ranked teams, but both are away (at ND, and at Duke) but it helps that we already own the tiebreak with them. If we want to win the ACC, which is still an attainable goal, we are going to have to hold serve against ND and Louisville, and it would be nice to sweep UVA and Duke, but we can do no worse than split with those teams.
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UVA looks good.
Tony Bennett is going to make UVA a very relevant team for the rest of his tenure there.
Tony Bennett is going to make UVA a very relevant team for the rest of his tenure there.
I agree, they are gonna be a tough team for a while. Especially with the style they play. It's much easier to slow a game down than to speed it up, and with their defense as well, if they have a 10 point lead, it's like most teams having a 30 point lead.
I'll leave this right here and run like hell
But if we had dennis smith jr at pg we would be title favs
But if we had dennis smith jr at pg we would be title favs
Oh no doubt. He's a beast and Roy would reign him in so he wouldn't ad lib / freelance so much. Then Joel could slide to the 2, where he's better suited IMO.
Okay, I've been meaning to ask this for awhile but keep forgetting. Gonna tag @coryfly @gunslingerdick @Archer2 because I know y'all three follow basketball recruiting. As y'all know, I follow football recruiting pretty close. I admit, however, that I haven't followed basketball recruiting in years.
My question is, what the heck is the landscape of pre-college hoops these days? There's all this AAU ball and EYBL and all these random tourneys and random teams like "Team CP3" and all this nonsense. Is high school ball even relevant anymore? Or is it like recruiting for soccer where club/academy ball is way more important than high school ball? Can y'all help me wrap my arms around all this craziness? Seems pretty wild, especially when you also factor in how high school elite basketball players re-classify, switch schools (but like across the country, not across town) often, etc. Thanks in advance.
My question is, what the heck is the landscape of pre-college hoops these days? There's all this AAU ball and EYBL and all these random tourneys and random teams like "Team CP3" and all this nonsense. Is high school ball even relevant anymore? Or is it like recruiting for soccer where club/academy ball is way more important than high school ball? Can y'all help me wrap my arms around all this craziness? Seems pretty wild, especially when you also factor in how high school elite basketball players re-classify, switch schools (but like across the country, not across town) often, etc. Thanks in advance.
Loved it! OT loss at home for the pack. Gottfried is a great underachiever.
This whole Pinson thing is BS. Just saying "rolled ankle" isn't enough. Nobody misses multiple games because of a "rolled ankle." WTF is it? If it really is his ankle, how severe is it? Did he reaggravate his foot injury? Are you just being cautious with him? Just say something already. It's pissing me off.
JB missed a couple of games with a rolled ankle, so your argument is stupid and you're stupid and crystal Pepsi sucks.
I can't speak for @Archer2 and @coryfly but I wouldn't say I follow it to the level of many of the raiderians. I used to. I used to go to tournaments every now and then. I saw LeBron, Lamar Odom, T-Mac and many others play in high school. But every time I saw a big name player play, it was always with his high school team. I've never been to any kind of AAU event. When AAU started to take over, for me, I lost interest. I also was getting older and just had more commitments and responsibilities so it probably would have happened anyway but club ball just never interested me.
Since then, I still follow it from afar but high school recruiting for both football and basketball have become so overdone. The reason I liked following it "back in the day" was because info was limited and it made knowing the inside scoop more fun. Now everybody has a scoop. I actually had to get in my car and go across town to a small magazine stand to get Prep Stars "The Recruiter's Handbook". I knew when the new one was coming out. Id always get The Poop Sheet too. Obviously the internet took over and all that info became easily accessible.
So while I do probably follow it more than you, I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer your questions. If I were to take a stab at it, I'd say that AAU tournaments are an easier place for coaches to congregate and get looks at more players with less time devoted and certainly less travel. So that's why those events have become more of a focus area for ballers. And the natural evolution has given way to the OAD and many aspects of the game that I don't like so much these days - premium on measurables, flashy offense/no defense, no emphasis on fundamentals, etc.; it's all about making wow plays and showing off your potential.
I'd be interested to see what Cory and Archer have to say.
I have a few buddies that coach both HS and AAU ball (one has some interesting stories about Cousins from UK). AAU ball and the circuits are much more important for rankings for most players. The guys that play at some of the basketball factories are somewhat an outlier because they play really tough competition throughout the year. Generally for a guy to jump or make noise they have to make waves in AAU ball though. For example, I played with a dude in HS who was good (scored over 60 one game and averaged probably 30 something) but the competition wasn't great. He never even played AAU ball so didn't get any big time looks, nor really deserved them. He played at a lower level school for a few years but wasn't anything special.
You can tell a lot about a guy playing normal HS ball IMO though. I used to watch Poythress play some and I told the UK guys when he signed if they tried to make him play on the perimeter it would never work (and I'm no expert). He was a beast attacking the basket in a straight line but wasn't a shooter and had average handles for his size. They said he would be fine there and he clearly wasn't. He was great when they just let him attack the rim though. He was a really great kid though. Smart and first class all the way.
I do know that even at the HS level it is a business to some degree. I knew a girl who had a daughter who was really good (ended up playing at a top 5 program) and there was a ton of controversy over how she ended up moving to the HS she ended up playing for so she could play with other D1 prospects. I think three of them ended up at D1 schools. All sorts of zoning, and coaches taking other coaches jobs, and stuff like that.
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Ahh yeah, you touched on one more thing I meant to mention in my question ... these "academies" like Oak Hill. 1). Is that a real high school that just attracts ballers from nationwide, or is it just like a basketball teaching institution that also happens to teach high school classes? lol. You see these academies way more in basketball than football recruiting. Yes, there's the IMG Academy in football, but that's really the only major one that comes to mind. Of course there's major high schools that draw talent (Bishop Gorman in Las Vegas and St. Thomas Aquinas in Ft. Lauderdale) come to mind, but those are generally kids from that general area.
I don't know, in my opinion, basketball coaches are pretty lazy when it comes to recruiting, at least compared to football coaches. Football coaches have to evaluate so many players, it's ridiculous. Basketball coaches might have to evaluate, at the very most, 30? Which is why it's crazy when basketball bluebloods miss on guys. Like the guy from Louisville a couple years ago who was from Raleigh. And like Steph Curry. There's no way all the Power 5 football schools would miss on a talented kid like Steph Curry, IMO.
