Unfortunately his S&S threads have a predetermined title, but at least he gives us the italicized statement similar to those thread titles to lead us off in his first poast.
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Unfortunately his S&S threads have a predetermined title, but at least he gives us the italicized statement similar to those thread titles to lead us off in his first poast.
I've said it's possible, but the chance of it happening is basically non zero. Of the billions of sports games that have been played, there are a small amount of games that have had some kind of outside influence on them that was proven. If it was something that happened regularly there would be more examples. Especially in today's world where everything is tracked. So, saying that the most logical explanation is that the game was fixed is not supported by facts. As far as subliminal goes, that is just a dumb argument because there is no way that can be proven one way or the other. The most logical answer is that this game was just like most games this year. It was poorly officiated. Never mind, carry on.
Just so we are on the same page here, you realize that I meant there was an infinitesimal chance right? If I said that on radar I think some might think I meant there was an 80% chance.
I realize what you meant. You phrased it in a way that also fit my argument though, so rather than debating you on it again, I decided to find the common ground.
I'd say thinking 10% or more of the games have undue influence on them is crazy (whether it be a home team bias, a particular team bias, not necessarily something as egregious as a desire from a conference to prop a team up, or a wager - but those can happen as well). Just as I'd say thinking the chance those things happen is infinitesimal is crazy.
Ok, my only issue was that you said most logical. You base logic on facts and there are none that support your opinion, therefore it can't be the most logical.
The logic I was applying was the likelihood of 5 consecutive botched calls being solely attributed to poor skill on the part of the officials. An assumption in my logical analysis was that most officials with skill that poor would have been weeded out prior to becoming NCAA officials. Maybe you disagree with that assumption.
Which is the opinion of a UNC fan. I could easily find people who say that there wasn't 5 consecutive botched calls.
Hard to agree with that assumption when I've watched other games. The officiating has been bad all year.
A lot of calls in basketball are subjective (block/charge, shooting/non-shooting, etc.) So unfortunately you're not going to be able to get a definitive right/wrong. And I could find people who say we never landed on the moon.
You have quite the confidence in the moral character of the officials, but not in their ability to do their job. I'm somewhat the opposite I guess - to each their own.
there were calls in the game that were missed both ways but I'm not sure how you can say that the officials were partial to Duke. Tatum's "block" was obviously a charge but he also got slapped in the face in the first half and poked in the eye with no call. Kennard and Jefferson fouled out, most of the starters for Duke had 4 fouls as well. The final tally was Duke 27 fouls, ND 20 fouls and ND was purposely fouling for the last minute and a half to try and get back in.
Hey @tarheel0910
@Hark_The_Sound_2010 is from Boston and thus his mob lifestyle leads him to believe refs may be on the take from nefarious dago crime families from his neck of the woods
@Hark_The_Sound_2010 is from Boston and thus his mob lifestyle leads him to believe refs may be on the take from nefarious dago crime families from his neck of the woods
Yeah, I thought the officiating (late in the game at least) was more pro-Duke in the Wake game than last night. However, apparently it may have been the other way around up until then, which I didn't see. Last night Duke was back to being pretty physical on D but were getting called for some of it. They just beat ND. I think officials are impacted by crowds, certain coaches, and other factors. I don't think they intentionally call against anyone though.
For example, in the title game last year we were up a bit and had about six calls go against us. It was a really tough stretch. Changed the game. I was pissed, lol. I don't think there was any great NCAA conspiracy as others believe though. I think they just made some crappy calls and they happened to go one way. Sucks, but it has benefited us at times before I'm sure. Fans remember the ones that go against them though.
For example, in the title game last year we were up a bit and had about six calls go against us. It was a really tough stretch. Changed the game. I was pissed, lol. I don't think there was any great NCAA conspiracy as others believe though. I think they just made some crappy calls and they happened to go one way. Sucks, but it has benefited us at times before I'm sure. Fans remember the ones that go against them though.
I don't want facts to get in the way or anything on this "Refs love Dook!!111!!" argument, but it ain't like they weren't calling fouls on Duke too. Notre Dame shot 28 FTs whereas Duke only shot 24 (which they made 23 of!!!), including 6 or so of Duke's that came in the last minute when ND was trying to extend the game.
I don't like when people blindly use the FT number comparison to evaluate refereeing because for obvious reasons, that's a silly metric. It doesn't consider if teams were attacking the basket or not, but..... I watched the game and Duke attacked the basket plenty. They did so more than Notre Dame did.
So, yes, that missed block call was godawful, but overall, I don't think the officiating was drastically pro-Duke.
I don't like when people blindly use the FT number comparison to evaluate refereeing because for obvious reasons, that's a silly metric. It doesn't consider if teams were attacking the basket or not, but..... I watched the game and Duke attacked the basket plenty. They did so more than Notre Dame did.
So, yes, that missed block call was godawful, but overall, I don't think the officiating was drastically pro-Duke.
The Irish missed too many FT's last night, too.
And, Kennard and Jefferson fouled-out with about 4 minutes left in the game and ND still couldn't beat them.
And, Kennard and Jefferson fouled-out with about 4 minutes left in the game and ND still couldn't beat them.
Agreed on both points. ND had plenty of opportunities and just couldn't do anything with them. They're a Round of 32 team.
I don't think anyone was making that claim
Agreed, the FT attempted number is a terrible way to evaluate any bias. Fouls called is slightly better, but still not a very good measure. Biases are best shown in multiple game tendencies, not intragame. I.E. this ref always calls more fouls on the home/road team, this ref always calls more/less fouls on team X, Team X has won/covered in a disproportionate amount of games that ref A has called, etc.
I wouldn't say the officiating was drastically pro-Duke. It doesn't have to be in order to be biased though. One call at the right point in the game can turn it. Also, I'm not sure what some people think a biased ref's calls look like - but they don't have to be every single call going in one direction, or refusing to call a 5th foul on a guy and foul him out. Again, this bias can be subliminal, a ref might not even realize he gives the benefit of the doubt to Team X most of the time, but that doesn't mean the bias isn't there.
No there's not.Waaaaay too much arguing for the sake of arguing on this site.
It drives me to distraction, yea madness, when we help doen and leave wide open shooters. If a team is massacreing us inside, than I can see helping down. But until they are, stop it!
Same here, Archer. We've been making this mistake for like.....................ever lol.
It especially kills me when we do it against a team who is ONLY attempting 3s!!! All Pitt has right now is 3s. Like, holy hell, just let them drive to the hole. 2 < 3
wow... he did
and we freaking survived a ridiculous game; damn we still gotta play up there too
We need Theo Pinson bigly.
I'm glad Kenny Williams came back in the game.
I doubt every team has a 3-point horseshoe like Pitt had tonight.
I'm glad Kenny Williams came back in the game.
I doubt every team has a 3-point horseshoe like Pitt had tonight.
Is there any team ever that has had so many no name role players have career highs against them as us. For chrissake's.
