OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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Seriously. You couldn't pay me to watch these exhibition games. Even when the "real" games start, it's painful to watch because of most teams' schedules. CBB has tooooooo many pre-conference play games. We are damn lucky Roy creates beasts of schedules to keep us engaged in December every year, and even November this year.
I'll just go with @heelmanwilm 's overreactions and call them my own.
One more rant and then I'll be done. College basketball, as a business, needs to realize where its strengths and weaknesses are. Its biggest strength obviously is the NCAAT. Its biggest weakness is TOO. MUCH. INVENTORY. There's so many regular season games and except for a select few every regular season, none of them matter. In addition to that, for most of their season (November - February), they go up against college football AND the NFL. That's bad for business.
How to fix CBB from a ratings perspective:
- shrink number of pre-conference competitive games to 6 and somehow mandate ("encourage") the big names to all schedule each other. UNC - Kentucky, UCLA - Duke, Indiana - Kansas, etc. etc.)
- Start season the night after the CFB NCG with made-for-TV huge matchups (see above) on that Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
- get rid of 1-and-Done so that it goes back to how it was in the 80s, 90s, and early 200s where college guys developed into household names while still in school, thus making matchups more enticing for the viewing public.
You want basketball to be like football and it’s not gonna happen. I understand what you’re trying to say but to every you (and @tarheel0910) there’s 100s if not 1000s of fans who couldn’t wait to watch the exhibition game last night. I said it before and I’ll say it again I’ll watch every single second of every game and love every minute of it.
Also I don’t think 40 games from November to March/April is a lot.
Same. I have no interest in watching an exhibition game. To be honest, I have a hard time watching all 40 minutes of those early games versus cream puffs that we end up running out of the gym. Boring...
Exactly. That's why I said we're damn lucky Roy schedules such a beastly schedule (Michigan, Stanford, Ohio State, Northern Iowa, Davidson, Tennessee) in November, December to keep our attention. It is flat-out not fun to watch us paste Mt. Olive 110-50 and games like that.
Look, I love Carolina hoops. Once conference play starts, I watch every single minute of every game, and if I have to miss one, I'll record it and watch it. But these like 12 pre-conference games are a waste. Keep in mind that in the past 15 or so years, college football has exploded in popularity even more than it was before. CBB needs to work in tandem with CFB and pick up right after CFB ends.
One of the reasons football is the most popular sport is because of simple supply/demand economics. Football's supply is so small that the demand becomes insatiable. CBB could take a lesson from that.
I understand that, but at the same time I don't. I guess I like "cycles" and structure. To me, CBB gets going in late December. I don't like how it's seemed to push earlier and earlier every year. It's hard for me to jump out of football mindset in OCTOBER and get into basketball mindset. Just like how, from April to August 30th, I LOVE baseball. But once CFB kicks off on September 1st, I completely jump out of baseball mindset. Same kinda thing I guess.
Agree to disagree. It should be ~28.
At a minimum, CBB could wait until the CFB regular season and conference championships are over. Then Schedule some good non-conference games in mid December, take a week or so off while the bowl games are being played, and get to conference games after football season ends.
And to THN's point, reduce the number of games, especially those lame early season games.
And to THN's point, reduce the number of games, especially those lame early season games.
Im not questioning your intelligence bc by all means you’re probably a smarter man than I but I find it hard to believe you can’t watch a football game on Saturday and a basketball game on Sunday. They can coexist. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. I can cheer like hell for the football team and basketball team on the same day if need be.
I understand where y’all are coming from but you have to understand y’all are in the vast minority in this thinking.
I'll watch every game too, but that's not a game. It's practice with another team. I don't find practice interesting.
They don't do anything for the brand, period. The only time TV numbers are somewhat good for basketball is during March Madness. The 64-team tourney has coached the casual sports fan to believe the regular season doesn't matter.
It extends the season which gives it some degree of visibility even if the ratings are relatively low. I don't disagree with your arguments, I just prefer more Carolina basketball over less Carolina basketball.
I don't think playing fewer games in the regular season would make the tourney any better. And I don't think playing the current number of games makes the tourney any less awesome.
So who's going to be this year's version of the Maye avatar? KW is causing strong disagreements already, so I'm thinking he might be the front runner.
You’re thinking of this from a purely marketing standpoint.
Part of the long season is these are kids who need to get better. Cut the games in half and two things happen:
1. Player development is greatly reduced which hurts the game and the players
2. Tourney product suffers. Teams won’t be nearly as sharp and refined.
I’ve liked the oad rule in the past but now knowing how ky bball would go in total free fall if it were done away with i’ve changed my mind.
Thanks. I believe this takes us out of the running for Moore, would think he's a heavy UNC lean.
I'm sure we will have plenty of open scholarships, I just think they both play the same position and Moore may not want to compete. No inside information or anything, just a gut feeling. If Moore waits it may change, at this point guessing who will be on Duke's roster 2 years from now is like picking powerball numbers correctly.
I'm just glad the shoe is on the other foot this time, rather than watching us lose 59-7.
So... no one is interested in doing this again? I guess there is no way to top the Maye avatars.
Hard to catch lightning in a bottle ... twice.
We need to see who emerges as the next MJ/Bird/Magic in Carolina blue first.
I don't think reducing the inventory of games helps improve profitability at all (what administrators care about). Say you take away the Bucknell, Western Carolina, Wofford, and Tulane games this year. That is a few million dollars in ticket + TV revenue, and due to free labor the marginal cost for those games is really low. Are you going to get $3 million in extra revenue somehow for the Michigan B1G/ACC Challenge game if you eliminate those 4 games? How?
The only real opportunity I see (other than adding more games) is improving the mix, so that a higher percentage of our games are against top teams. Like in football, we are playing ODU in a home-and-home. Why? Would we not sell more tickets against a P5 school? In basketball it's a bit more complicated, because for many of these schools we never happy to play at their place. P5 teams won't agree to that.
The only real opportunity I see (other than adding more games) is improving the mix, so that a higher percentage of our games are against top teams. Like in football, we are playing ODU in a home-and-home. Why? Would we not sell more tickets against a P5 school? In basketball it's a bit more complicated, because for many of these schools we never happy to play at their place. P5 teams won't agree to that.
So uhhhh yea if anyone believes jb’s explanation on his hand injury please provide contact info as i have an incredible investment opportunity for you.
It’s actually not that hard to break the tarsals in your hands and feet. Just need to hit them the right way. I’ve broken both my foot and hand in surprisigly easy fashion. No other broken bones than those
