Wouldn’t be surprised to see the committee work out a UNC-UK 8/9 matchup
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see the committee work out a UNC-UK 8/9 matchup
With Kansas as the 1 seed? Definitely could see that.
The only good thing I have to say is I thought the game started at 2, not noon, so I didn't see it.
I had tickets available to see the game. Fortunately, I had a daddy/daughter date planned
So a guy at state who was shooting less than .30 for the year shooting 3’s went 7/7? Lol.
Heres the elephant in the room. We are much worse defensively and not as good in general with cam back in the line up. Not that i expected great things from this team but losing to state and wofford at home is a glaring sign of under achieving. I’m sure coach is exploring all options but u cant deny and i’m sure he knows as well, that cam coming back has actually hurt the team.
Heres the elephant in the room. We are much worse defensively and not as good in general with cam back in the line up. Not that i expected great things from this team but losing to state and wofford at home is a glaring sign of under achieving. I’m sure coach is exploring all options but u cant deny and i’m sure he knows as well, that cam coming back has actually hurt the team.
It doesn't help that Cam, Kenny nor Joel can throw it in the ocean right now.
Can't believe that didn't knock us out of the rankings.
Not sure we're deserving of #19 rn.
Not sure we're deserving of #19 rn.
I agree with your general sentiment. But let's not downplay moo but so much. They've beaten several good teams. They're not as bad as everyone is making them out to be. But regardless, we shouldn't have lost that game. Losing to moo anywhere at any time is embarrassing.
The defense right now is inexplicable. I don't know why it's as bad as it is. I maintain that it's more design than effort, but I also think that only the effort can change. I just can't see Roy changing how he plays defensively.
I'm holding out hope they all 3 get back to where they were 5 games ago. But honestly, I think what we're seeing now may be more of the norm and what we saw 3 weeks ago was more of an aberration. We'll see.
As of today (I know that doesn’t mean much) Lunardi has us as a 4 seed in Villanova’s bracket.
4 seed? My ass. We're no more a 4 seed than the Man in the Moon. And I'd hate to be in Nova's bracket.
Pure speculation on my part but to me there’s chemistry issues. I think there are some egos that are hurt. Once again pure speculation but I’m wondering if cam coming back And taking minutes on a team that was playing pretty good has created some issues.
I can only speculate hes projecting our finish. But even then i dont see it. But he is uncannily accurate.
Who could possibly have a bruised ego? It wouldn't be Berry, Kenny, Luke or Theo and frankly, only their egos matter. No one else has earned the right to get pissed about anything?
I don't think it's chemistry. I really don't think we are that talented. We lost a ton when Meeks, Hicks and Jackson departed. Throw Britt in there as well. Theo is still Theo and Berry isn't playing as well as he did last year. No one else is even close to the four I mentioned that left.
Luke is playing well but that still leaves 3 big pairs of shoes to fill, 4 if you count Bradley.
This is more of the side I'm leaning towards. I just don't think we're all that good.
Berry is a nice player and is experienced, but he has his limitations. He doesn't create for others, and he doesn't quite know how to finish well in traffic. If his shot isn't falling, he struggles. He gets beat defensively far too often as well.
Kenny is an elite defender and can get to the basket when he wants, but he's a streaky shooter, and it seems his confidence gets rattled easily. It seems like his confidence is either on cloud nine or at rock bottom. No in-between.
I think Theo needs to be surrounded by better players in order to excel. He has his good moments, and he has his bad...and his bad is really bad. He tries to do too much, and in doing so, he ends up out of control and here comes the "oh shit" moment.
Cam was a decent player on a bad Pitt team. I'm not trying to knock the kid, but really, what were we expecting from him anyway? I mean, he's not bad or anything, but he's not the second coming of Justin Jackson. Not even close. He's a role player, and that's where his expectations should be.
I have nothing on Luke. Keep doing your thing, you basketball god, you. Yeah, your FT shooting should be better, but you're freaking Jesus.
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Well, in his defense, he was probably taught that body contact when driving to the hoop is a foul. I hope you're picking up on the sarcasm. IMO, Berry is fouled on roughly 75% of his drives and for some unknown reason, these fouls are not being called. IMO, if officiated correctly, Berry could be giving Hansbrough a run for his money is most FTs in one season at Carolina. It befuddles me every time I watch. But with that said, he hasn't adjusted by shooting the midrange or floater. He needs to do that.
I pretty much agree with all of that.
But we typically have one of those guys. Danny was that guy. JP was that guy. McAdoo was that guy. They're guys that have a high ceiling and low floor. But for all of his mistakes, there's no doubt that he's a net positive for the team. I said this in another thread and I'm surprised no one took me to task about it, but if I'm Roy, I consider bringing Theo off the bench as the back up PG. Let's roll with Berry, Kenny, Cam, Luke and Sterling (or Brooks) as the starters and bring Theo in off the bench when Berry needs a blow or to move Berry to the 2. IMO, Theo is the best "point guard" on the team right now.
I agree. The biggest difference and what we miss most from the change from JJ to Cam is JJ's movement without the ball and his ability to drive and shoot the floater. Cam doesn't move without the ball nearly as well as Jackson and he doesn't have the floater from the baseline or in the lane in his arsenal at all. Makes the offense bog down at times.
Totally agree on this. Berry doesn't get anywhere near the number of calls he should given the amount of contact he takes. Not trying to get in a ref bashing party or anything but almost every time he takes it to the hoop I'm saying "That's not a foul?!"
There is no reason we should be ranked. Hell, at this point moo has a better resume.
I agree with this. The design is the problem. Roy just won't adjust to the changes in the game. For better or worse the 3 has become a huge part of the game and Roy refuses to change the scheme to account for it. That is who he is though. As long as he's still winning at a high level he's not going to change.
I'm not buying this one. I love Berry, but he tends to try and sell some of those "fouls" a little too much. I don't think he's ever landed on his feet after driving the lane.
He does hit the deck just about every time but there are some legit fouls that never get called. Maybe he needs to throw his head back and flail his arms like he was shot, like that puss in derm?
He just needs to adjust by shooting the runner or pulling up for a mid range jumper. I kind of agree with 0910 in that Joel has exaggerated the fouls that he’s being treated like the little boy that cried wolf. But make no mistake, he’s taking a lot of contact with no call. But at some point you just have to realize it is what it is and adjust. He’s not done that.
I'm not entirely sure that's true. They have a neutral site win against Zona, home wins against Duke and Clemson, and a road win against us, but they have losses to Northern Iowa and Tennessee (neutral site), UNC-Greensboro (at home), and have lost their 4 ACC games by an average of 17 points. They also only had 2 non-con wins against Power 5 schools (Zona & Penn St). We have 5 non-con wins against Power 5 schools ( @ Stanford, neutral site Arkansas, home vs. Michigan, @ Tennessee, neutral site Ohio State). We have 4 ACC losses by an average of 7 points.
If you use the common opponent factor, both teams have played Northern Iowa, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Clemson, Virginia, and Wake Forest. In our matchups with those teams we are 5-1, State is 2-5.
They may have the head to head (for now) but I wouldn't say they have a better overall resume.
They have two wins against top ten teams. We have two blowout losses against top ten teams. Those big wins erase a lot of the impact of their losses. We don't have any wins to offset the Wofford loss. I'm not saying they are way ahead of us, but we certainly aren't way ahead of them either.
Heels opened as a 2 pt. favorite . . dropped to a 1 pt. or 'pick' depending upon the betting site.
BPI has us at 12 with SOS at 1. RPI has us at 10 with SOS at 4. Kenpom has us at 13 with SOS at 2.
BPI has State at 63 with SOS at 42. They have RPI has State at 59 with SOS at 79. Kenpom has State at 65 with SOS at 87.
I'm not sure I'd say 12 points @ UVA (the best defensive team in the country) counts as a blowout, but if it does, State losing by 16 @ Clemson, 30 @ ND, and 17 @ UVA certainly do.
We have more wins against the top 25 and 50 in the 3 metrics than they do, and while they may have a victory against Duke that is currently higher rated than any of ours, we have more quality wins and are pretty much even in bad losses.
I'm planning on it. Assuming it doesn't swing to us being dogs by the time my book puts the line up.
Think about it - this team lost to the only team Roy tries to beat in the regular season... at home. What's gonna happen when Roy is back to not giving a **** and this time they're playing a ranked team on the road?
I mean I get it. I just have a hard time believing we’ll lose 3 in a row. Plus @TarHeelNation11 REALLLLLY wants that Home/Home win streak to stay in tact.
I have major doubts we will, at this point, if we don't get past Clemson. It will have to either be Duke (lol) or win our away leg in South Bend.I mean I get it. I just have a hard time believing we’ll lose 3 in a row. Plus @TarHeelNation11 REALLLLLY wants that Home/Home win streak to stay in tact.
