OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread

[tarheel0910]

His argument seems to be that we are failing and everything is Roy's fault. I will not waste my time arguing with someone so myopic and reductionist.

I don't think he was trying to say everything is Roy's fault, just that him not adapting to the current environment has contributed to us losing some recruits. To me the graphic was irrelevant to the point at hand. What does Roy winning tournament games in 2005 have to do with him missing out on recruits partly because his style hasn't adjusted? If the conversation was about Roy's on court performance then that would have been a good graphic, but it didn't add anything to that conversation. Just another way to deflect when someone was saying something that didn't make Roy look like the second coming.

 

[Raising Heel]

I don't think he was trying to say everything is Roy's fault....

That's exactly what he said, actually: "The fact that our NIT season and subsequent Non-Final Four seasons, sans 2016, fell directly after our National Championship is thanks to Roy."

That whole conversation went south when people started evaluating our recruiting based on NCAA Tournament wins and titles. The Kendall Marshall injury alone demonstrates why those criteria are unreasonable measures of success.

 

[tarheel0910]

That's exactly what he said, actually: "The fact that our NIT season and subsequent Non-Final Four seasons, sans 2016, fell directly after our National Championship is thanks to Roy."

That whole conversation went south when people started evaluating our recruiting based on NCAA Tournament wins and titles. The Kendall Marshall injury alone demonstrates why those criteria are unreasonable measures of success.

Ok, I just kind of took that comment as part of the irrelevant discussion about the graphic and not the actual conversation of recruiting, but I understand why you would interpret it differently. The Kendall argument is also irrelevant to the recruiting conversation as well. To my knowledge we didn't lose a recruit because Kendall got hurt. Even if that were the case, there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that we would have beat KU with a healthy Marshall. Would our chances have improved? Yes, but that doesn't equate to an automatic win like some people are suggesting.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

His argument seems to be that we are failing and everything is Roy's fault. I will not waste my time arguing with someone so myopic and reductionist.

I don't think everything is Roy's fault, so if that's his opinion I disagree with it. I don't think Roy has done much of anything to help the situation - but I'm not sure if anything could have been done by anyone else as the coach either. He is recruiting OADs and top talent, he's just not landing it. Whether that's his fault or due to other circumstances is I guess up for interpretation.

The only problem is that Roy's coaching strength had always been his recruiting. He's never been known as an X's and O's mastermind that can make in-game adjustments to win with inferior talent. That is exemplified by his reluctance to call TOs at the end of games to draw up plays. He much prefers to just let the players play, and prevent the other coach from setting his defense. Also by his stubbornness to stick with what he thinks works even when it isn't (putting Nate Britt in the game, and then leaving him in the game, as Wisconsin scored over him relentlessly to lose us that game that we had in the bag to go to the Elite Eight a few years ago was the most frustrated I've ever been watching Carolina basketball). When you haven't successfully recruited the best talent on the floor, those characteristics can come back to bite you.

 

[Raising Heel]

Whether that's his fault or due to other circumstances is I guess up for interpretation.

Right.

The only problem is that Roy's coaching strength had always been his recruiting. He's never been known as an X's and O's mastermind that can make in-game adjustments to win with inferior talent.

I don't think that's fair. Roy may not be the best Xs and Os guy in the bidness, but he ain't no slouch.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I don't think that's fair. Roy may not be the best Xs and Os guy in the bidness, but he ain't no slouch.

He's definitely not a slouch, he's a Hall of Famer, deservedly so. He runs a good system that he learned from a great coach. And he's been around the block a few times, so he knows what to expect and when. He can out coach most of the coaches in the country, but once you get to around the Sweet 16, not many of the coaches and teams left are slouches either. And if he runs into an equal or more talented team (which is now more likely with the less talented classes than it had been for him in the past), with a competent coach (likely at that stage of the tournament and beyond), it's not going to end well for the Heels.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Can we all just please take notice of who posted said graphic that derailed the discussion in that thread?

I've said it for years.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Did anyone ever poast this clip? Asher Lucas (son of Adam Lucas) drains 3 straight half court shots before the State game, with the crowd cheering him on.

I feel like this has to have been poasted somewhere but I didn't see it

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Did anyone ever poast this clip? Asher Lucas (son of Adam Lucas) drains 3 straight half court shots before the State game, with the crowd cheering him on.

I feel like this has to have been poasted somewhere but I didn't see it

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.......loudest the Dean Dome has ever been

*ducks*

 

[TarHeelMark]

Wolpfackers.... the gift that keeps on giving

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/01/...ssistant-sidney-lowe-and-wizards-organization

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Did anyone ever poast this clip? Asher Lucas (son of Adam Lucas) drains 3 straight half court shots before the State game, with the crowd cheering him on.

I feel like this has to have been poasted somewhere but I didn't see it

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Has now been picked up by SportsCenter, at least on Twitter. Asher's gotta be pumped about that.

 

[Raising Heel]

Dammit.

I wish you guys would've told me that facts and logic aren't my thing.

Some friends you are.

 

[tarheel0910]

Dammit.

I wish you guys would've told me that facts and logic aren't my thing.

Some friends you are.

I just assumed you knew. It's pretty well known.

 

[UNC71-00]

Pretty lackadaisical play by Britt and 7th just doesn't get it yet.

 

[Raising Heel]

Pretty lackadaisical play by Britt and 7th just doesn't get it yet.

Seventh is still playing out of control and trying to force things. He really needs to slow down and let the game come to him.

The whole team is taking a lot of really bad shots.

 

[UNC71-00]

Seventh is still playing out of control and trying to force things. He really needs to slow down and let the game come to him.

The whole team is taking a lot of really bad shots.

I will give 7th a pass- it's the very, very rare frosh PG who plays well in Roys system in January.

The rest of this today is a hot mess though

 

[Raising Heel]

I will give 7th a pass- it's the very, very rare frosh PG who plays well in Roys system in January.

So, so true. I've never fully understood this phenomenon.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

So in the second half, do we need to guard Bowman or not guard Bowman?

 

[Raising Heel]

Tim Brandt is one of the most gawdawful play-by-play guys in sports.

Beg your pardon. It's some scrub named Tom Werme. They sound very similar.

ETA: He's a Syracuse grad. Probably still salty about that ass-whipping on Monday.

 

[Raising Heel]

So in the second half, do we need to guard Bowman or not guard Bowman?

Keep making him work for shots. Roy dipped pretty deep into the bench in the first half. It'll be interesting to see if BC can keep up in the second.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Keep making him work for shots. Roy dipped pretty deep into the bench in the first half. It'll be interesting to see if BC can keep up in the second.

I was being sarcastic. We didn't exactly make him work for shots except for on the last possession.

 

[UNC71-00]

So, so true. I've never fully understood this phenomenon.

My guess has always been that he is constantly telling the PG to push the ball to the point where the freshman is pushing it without knowing what he is going to do

 

[toophly1124]

So everybody's just gonna ignore walking buckets 3/4 court shot nothing but net

 

[Raising Heel]

I was being sarcastic. We didn't exactly make him work for shots except for on the last possession.

Yes, the sarcasm was obvious. Disagree about making him work. Just have to do a better job hedging on high screens, which is a skill Roy has never coached particularly well.

 

[Raising Heel]

Tim Brandt is one of the most gawdawful play-by-play guys in sports.

Beg your pardon. It's some scrub named Tom Werme. They sound very similar.

ETA: He's a Syracuse grad. Probably still salty about that ass-whipping on Monday.

He just exclaimed, "Back door action!"

 

[Raising Heel]

I was being sarcastic. We didn't exactly make him work for shots except for on the last possession.

Haha. JBII just standing there watching the game and Bowman drifts out for a wide open 3.

 

[BillyL]

Joel 'junkyard dog' Berry is just working his ass off on defense today . .

Not the score I was hoping for in this game, but, I'll say this game has been a fun one to watch.

 

[Raising Heel]

Is it just me, or is every kid singing in this Gatorade Fuel Bar commercial singing with a mouth full of Gatorade Fuel Bar?

 

[TarHeelNation11]

So everybody's just gonna ignore walking buckets 3/4 court shot nothing but net

We are if you keep using that nickname

 

[TarHeelNation11]

I see that we all are having very productive Saturdays

 

[toophly1124]

We are if you keep using that nickname

Wait I thought we were using it to poke fun of the originator of nickname. I can't keep up.

 

[TarHeelNation11]

Wait I thought we were using it to poke fun of the originator of nickname. I can't keep up.

I'll allow it. Carry on.

Hicks got drilled on that fadeaway turnaround but no call. Finally he gets one called.

 

[TarHeelMark]

Caught the last five minutes... WTH? BC was within a possession until we pulled away finally. I know it's though to get motivated for a noon road game against a team that you should dominate but daggummit!

 

[carolinablue34]

Yeah today was frustrating but at least we didn't have a major collapse like we did at GT

 

[TarHeelMark]

Yeah today was frustrating but at least we didn't have a major collapse like we did at GT

It's a conference road win, so I'll gladly take it and move on.

 

[nctransplant]

Again, she ain't purty but she's got big tits

 

[gunslingerdick]

It's a conference road win, so I'll gladly take it and move on.

Agreed.

Officiating was terrible. Not saying for us or against us but they allowed too much.

Jackson has become our rock. Berry looks like he can take over on any play when he wants to. Sometimes watching the Heels, I feel like Roy holds our team back from a blowout. It's almost like he doesn't want to embarrass teams at times. there were times when I thought we could have blown it open and Roy then puts Seventh and Britt in the game. Berry looked plenty fresh. But whatever.

Pinson is a game changer for us, period. His versatility is such a valuable weapon. He made several big plays but most importantly, when Joel is on the bench, he's clearly the best at pushing the ball up the floor. He literally does everything. I can't think of another Heels player as versatile in recent memory.

Meeks was terrific, Hicks was solid and Kenny and Luke were enough.

Happy to get the road win. Next game.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Also, are we 10-1 heading into the duke game in Cameron? We could be and it would behoove us to take advantage of the way our schedule has set up for us. Between now and the duke game, we have 3 homes games and only one of those is against a team from the top of the conference (ND). And the road game isn't brutal (Miami).

The second half of the schedule will test our mettle. Duke twice, UVa twice, at moo, at Pitt and Louisville at home. If we go 10-1 before the duke game and 4-3 afterwards, I think we win the ACC reg season outright.

 

[tarheel0910]

We are going to have to shut this thread down. Since none of us have never been a coach or player at the college level we can't form an opinion on college basketball.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I must say the S&S thread for the BC game brought a tear to my eye. Radar is capable of honest criticism after all. There were several poasters that called out JJ and JB for some deficiencies they showed in their games, which I hadn't seen much before.