OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread

[gunslingerdick]

Berry didn't shoot it well and he's been hesitant to drive it. He needs to get back to driving the ball. He'll do that more moving forward and he'll shoot it better most nights. He didn't have a bad game at all. He played well defensively. Jackson played well but didn't have his A game. Williams was nonexistent on the offensive end. I like the kid and he is a pretty good defender. But he's hurting us on offense. Seventh was fantastic in limited minutes. Best he has looked since conference play started. Britt was serviceable - and that is his ceiling but definitely something we need. Robinson even caused a TO on Allen at one point.

We struggled up front tonight and it didn't have much to do with duke. They did a nice job on the boards tonight but it was apparent that not having Hicks hurt us. Maye, or Pinson and Jackson - when we go small - can't really go down and set up on the block. That left us with only one big able to set up. Meaning ball reversal ended with little threat because it took our one big time to go over and fight for position or we just didn't have another option to throw it into the post. When Hicks and Meeks are both out there, they both are capable of starting with their back to the basket. And it also hurts the weak side rebounding as one of the guys that was just posting up on the edge of the lane is already in position for a rebound. Pinson, as good of a rebounder as he is, has to dive to the rim from the perimeter and that's an easier block out, which duke did fairly well with tonight. So, it hurt a little not having Isaiah tonight. Bradley was decent and Maye was very good on offense. But he had no chance of checking Tatum once Tatum started driving the ball.

Back to Pinson, my goodness that kid is awesome. There is a ton of untapped potential with him. He's getting better and better. If he stays healthy, he's a legit first team All ACC as a senior. His activity level is unlike any recent Tar Heel player. He's ridiculously versatile. I am becoming a bigger fan of his by the game.

I'll end this tl;dr poast by saying I'm still confident in our ability to win 6 in a row in March/April. Go Heels.

 

[Blue2010]

I agree. They made a ton of threes. We missed a bunch of FTs. We got road Berry instead of home Berry. We didn't have Hicks. Rebounding was the biggest problem in the game. However, I think it is pretty clear UNC is better. I think that will bear out when we have everyone playing.

I'm pretty thrilled at the way Theo looked tbh.

There is no place for level heads when we lose to Dook. Get the hell out!

(PS - I agree)

 

[Blue2010]

Berry didn't shoot it well and he's been hesitant to drive it. He needs to get back to driving the ball. He'll do that more moving forward and he'll shoot it better most nights. He didn't have a bad game at all. He played well defensively. Jackson played well but didn't have his A game. Williams was nonexistent on the offensive end. I like the kid and he is a pretty good defender. But he's hurting us on offense. Seventh was fantastic in limited minutes. Best he has looked since conference play started. Britt was serviceable - and that is his ceiling but definitely something we need. Robinson even caused a TO on Allen at one point.

We struggled up front tonight and it didn't have much to do with duke. They did a nice job on the boards tonight but it was apparent that not having Hicks hurt us. Maye, or Pinson and Jackson - when we go small - can't really go down and set up on the block. That left us with only one big able to set up. Meaning ball reversal ended with little threat because it took our one big time to go over and fight for position or we just didn't have another option to throw it into the post. When Hicks and Meeks are both out there, they both are capable of starting with their back to the basket. And it also hurts the weak side rebounding as one of the guys that was just posting up on the edge of the lane is already in position for a rebound. Pinson, as good of a rebounder as he is, has to dive to the rim from the perimeter and that's an easier block out, which duke did fairly well with tonight. So, it hurt a little not having Isaiah tonight. Bradley was decent and Maye was very good on offense. But he had no chance of checking Tatum once Tatum started driving the ball.

Back to Pinson, my goodness that kid is awesome. There is a ton of untapped potential with him. He's getting better and better. If he stays healthy, he's a legit first team All ACC as a senior. His activity level is unlike any recent Tar Heel player. He's ridiculously versatile. I am becoming a bigger fan of his by the game.

I'll end this tl;dr poast by saying I'm still confident in our ability to win 6 in a row in March/April. Go Heels.

@heelbent -- IP check please. DSouthr has been MIA recently, right?

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I must agree with the Pinson love. He's great.

 

[toophly1124]

I must agree with the Pinson love. He's great.

He's fantastic. If he could knock a tray down on occasion he'd be the best player on the team.

 

[carolinablue34]

It's pretty obvious why it's stupid. The short answer is you don't fire a HOF coach unless you have something better waiting.

I am overreacting a bit, I admit. But I'm sick of losing year in and out to these guys.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I am overreacting a bit, I admit. But I'm sick of losing year in and out to these guys.

No doubt. I am too. They've had a our number a little too long in the "cyclical" rivalry. And while that sucks, we do have bigger fish to fry. A national title, FF appearance, ACC reg season title and the ACC tournament championship are all more important than beating duke. I want to beat their ass at our place and I think we will win that game, but we could have gotten a sweep this year. I really felt that we could. But what are you gonna do? There's still a lot of meaningful basketball to play. And like I said, I feel as good about our team's chances as any other team in the country.

 

[Grayhead]

I'm not sure how to feel anymore. Very deflating to lose again and again to them. K simply owns Roy. And free throws are killing us. How can someone light it up from the outside and not be a high percentage free throw shooter?

 

[gunslingerdick]

He's fantastic. If he could knock a tray down on occasion he'd be the best player on the team.

He has been knocking down threes recently. Tonight he pulled up for mid range jumpers and made both. If he can do that, he has potential to be a dominant player next year. He drove the ball well tonight with his head up and looking to pass but on a couple occasions he had to finish and he did. Or he drew the help and left the weak side open for the offensive board. He has terrific vision and delivers passes well. He lead the team in rebounds tonight and I don't think he had a TO. He also guarded all 5 positions. I love his game.

 

[coryfly]

Berry didn't shoot it well and he's been hesitant to drive it. He needs to get back to driving the ball. He'll do that more moving forward and he'll shoot it better most nights. He didn't have a bad game at all. He played well defensively. Jackson played well but didn't have his A game. Williams was nonexistent on the offensive end. I like the kid and he is a pretty good defender. But he's hurting us on offense. Seventh was fantastic in limited minutes. Best he has looked since conference play started. Britt was serviceable - and that is his ceiling but definitely something we need. Robinson even caused a TO on Allen at one point.

We struggled up front tonight and it didn't have much to do with duke. They did a nice job on the boards tonight but it was apparent that not having Hicks hurt us. Maye, or Pinson and Jackson - when we go small - can't really go down and set up on the block. That left us with only one big able to set up. Meaning ball reversal ended with little threat because it took our one big time to go over and fight for position or we just didn't have another option to throw it into the post. When Hicks and Meeks are both out there, they both are capable of starting with their back to the basket. And it also hurts the weak side rebounding as one of the guys that was just posting up on the edge of the lane is already in position for a rebound. Pinson, as good of a rebounder as he is, has to dive to the rim from the perimeter and that's an easier block out, which duke did fairly well with tonight. So, it hurt a little not having Isaiah tonight. Bradley was decent and Maye was very good on offense. But he had no chance of checking Tatum once Tatum started driving the ball.

Back to Pinson, my goodness that kid is awesome. There is a ton of untapped potential with him. He's getting better and better. If he stays healthy, he's a legit first team All ACC as a senior. His activity level is unlike any recent Tar Heel player. He's ridiculously versatile. I am becoming a bigger fan of his by the game.

I'll end this tl;dr poast by saying I'm still confident in our ability to win 6 in a row in March/April. Go Heels.

I thought Berry was pretty bad defensively in terms of his awareness. He consistent left guys to help in non-help situations. His on the ball defense was fine, as it almost always is.

As for K owning Roy. Duke is always going to be a tough matchup for us. They drive and shoot threes and play physical defense. If we can't kill them on the boards we will struggle. We'll be better in March though.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I thought Berry was pretty bad defensively in terms of his awareness. He consistent left guys to help in non-help situations. His on the ball defense was fine, as it almost always is.

Maybe so. But we all need to understand that the way we collapse is what Roy asks for. That's the defense that's drilled into the guys. I don't love that we help so much but it's just what Roy likes. But yeah, I was screaming all night that there are two guys that we simply couldn't help off of - Allen and Kennard - yet, we kept doing it. That's nothing new. Berry consistently stays in front of his guy. His guy wasn't the guy penetrating most of the night.

 

[gteeitup]

By 7+ and it won't be that close. Duke won't lead inside of 12 mins remaining.

jesus...here we go with expectations again.

if you've watched long enough you know they play better in chapel hill than most give them credit for.

eta: by "they" i meant duke...they always seem ready to play.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I hope after Roy is done, that we go outside the "Dean Tree" for the next hire. The style of basketball is pretty to watch, but it's antiquated basketball. Everyone else at every level of basketball understands 3>2. We don't recruit good 3 point shooters (or if we do, we rarely let them use that skill) and we help on the dribble drive and leave open 3 point shooters on the other end. The 3 point line was literally the difference in this one. We made 2 more FGs, and shot the same percentage from the field; they made 9 more 3s and shot a much better percentage from 3.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I hope after Roy is done, that we go outside the "Dean Tree" for the next hire. The style of basketball is pretty to watch, but it's antiquated basketball. Everyone else at every level of basketball understands 3>2. We don't recruit good 3 point shooters (or if we do, we rarely let them use that skill) and we help on the dribble drive and leave open 3 point shooters on the other end. The 3 point line was literally the difference in this one. We made 2 more FGs, and shot the same percentage from the field; they made 9 more 3s and shot a much better percentage from 3.

But that style of ball (more 3 point oriented) is not the more dependable style. You live by it and die by it. Personally, I prefer to be a program that focuses on rebounding and getting inside baskets, especially on the break. We can't be both and Roy's style is better suited for sustained success.

 

[tarheel0910]

I hope after Roy is done, that we go outside the "Dean Tree" for the next hire. The style of basketball is pretty to watch, but it's antiquated basketball. Everyone else at every level of basketball understands 3>2. We don't recruit good 3 point shooters (or if we do, we rarely let them use that skill) and we help on the dribble drive and leave open 3 point shooters on the other end. The 3 point line was literally the difference in this one. We made 2 more FGs, and shot the same percentage from the field; they made 9 more 3s and shot a much better percentage from 3.

So even if it is a UNC guy that is the best option you still want to go outside of the "family"? I've said many times that we shouldn't limit our search to a UNC guy, but just eliminating them because they are a Carolina guy doesn't make any sense. As far as style goes, I prefer a winning style. I don't care if we play up tempo or snooze fest basketball like UVA. As long as we have more points than the other team at the end of the game then I'll be happy.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I agree that I want a winning style of basketball, regardless of what style it is. Ks "3 ball" offense seems better than Roys offense, which is better than Bennetts slow ball - based off the several comparisons we've had of the them all (the comparisons are called games).

I don't want to rule out a Carolina guy at all. In fact I prefer we get a Carolina guy, but one that isn't going to be so rigid as to not adapt and evolve with the times to get a style that works the best in today's game.

I do agree with GSD that Roys style is more dependable. But I'd much prefer winning a title one year, and then getting bounced in the first round in next three years, and then continuing that cycle, as opposed to making the elite eight every year.

 

[tarheel0910]

I agree that I want a winning style of basketball, regardless of what style it is. Ks "3 ball" offense seems better than Roys offense, which is better than Bennetts slow ball - based off the several comparisons we've had of the them all (the comparisons are called games).

I don't want to rule out a Carolina guy at all. In fact I prefer we get a Carolina guy, but one that isn't going to be so rigid as to not adapt and evolve with the times to get a style that works the best in today's game.

I do agree with GSD that Roys style is more dependable. But I'd much prefer winning a title one year, and then getting bounced in the first round in next three years, and then continuing that cycle, as opposed to making the elite eight every year.

I don't think Roy's offensive style is the problem. His biggest problem to me is his defensive style. It was fine when the three wasn't as widely utilized as it is today, but he hasn't adjusted his defensive philosophy to match today's reliance on the three.

 

[coolwaterunc]

I just don't understand why we always fail to defend what Duke does. Essentially, all they do is drive and kick, yet we bite on the drive Every. Single. Time. No perimeter defender should EVER leave their man against Duke, no exceptions.

 

[tarheel0910]

I just don't understand why we always fail to defend what Duke does. Essentially, all they do is drive and kick, yet we bite on the drive Every. Single. Time. No perimeter defender should EVER leave their man against Duke, no exceptions.

It's worse than that though, because we do that against every team we play. For whatever reason Roy doesn't seem to believe in guarding the three.

 

[gunslingerdick]

It's worse than that though, because we do that against every team we play. For whatever reason Roy doesn't seem to believe in guarding the three.

He believes that a 2 point shot is easier to make and that we should help out and then recover well enough to make the 3 point shot contested. Sometimes guys make contested 3 point shots. More times, they don't.

 

[toophly1124]

I just woke up. My head hurts. For a split second I had forgotten about the game last night until I clicked on here to see what y'all yahoos were up to. I'm sad again.

 

[tarheel0910]

He believes that a 2 point shot is easier to make and that we should help out and then recover well enough to make the 3 point shot contested. Sometimes guys make contested 3 point shots. More times, they don't.

I know why he does it and the strategy was fine when you had only one or two people on a team that could shoot threes. Now you have 3-4 guys on a team that can hit the three and they shoot it more often. You have to adjust with the times.

 

[carolinablue34]

I know why he does it and the strategy was fine when you had only one or two people on a team that could shoot threes. Now you have 3-4 guys on a team that can hit the three and they shoot it more often. You have to adjust with the times.

Agreed. Duke has at least that many that can shoot the three and a few more that are also capable of it. We can't bite. They don't beat us with twos but those threes combined with our lousy free throw shooting were the difference.

 

[gteeitup]

You have to adjust with the times.

or not...we see it on grass in the fall.

dude, it's frustrating as f, but he'll admit his stubbornness in public whereas the bearded guy still hasn't.

the road ahead, as in the next two weeks, is really going to test this team's mettle, as well as patience.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I know why he does it and the strategy was fine when you had only one or two people on a team that could shoot threes. Now you have 3-4 guys on a team that can hit the three and they shoot it more often. You have to adjust with the times.

Agreed. Duke has at least that many that can shoot the three and a few more that are also capable of it. We can't bite. They don't beat us with twos but those threes combined with our lousy free throw shooting were the difference.

I disagree. First of all, duke has 2 guys that are what I would consider big time 3 point threats - Allen and Kennard. Tatum and Jackson can make them if left wide open but that's not their strong point. Kennard and Allen though - those guys are marksman. And we gave them too mush room. We didn't recover quick enough but even when we did get there to contest, they made shots. There's not a whole lot you can do about that except stay in their jock and be consistently beaten off the dribble. Roy's not going to let that happen. He rolls the dice on the percentages working out in his favor. And roughly 80% of the time, he's right. It's hard to argue with what's worked for him.

They made a ton of 3s - more than they usually do and shot a percentage significantly higher than their average. They can't shoot better than that. And with that said, we're a couple of made front ends of 1 and 1s from winning that game on their floor even shooting it poorly from deep and missing our starting PF. I think y'all are being reactionary. It's easy to say "we need to guard the 3 point line better" after a loss when the other team shot lights out from 3.

 

[tarheel0910]

Tatum and Jackson can make them if left wide open

So we probably shouldn't leave them wide open.

They made a ton of 3s - more than they usually do and shot a percentage significantly higher than their average.

It's entirely possible that they made more threes because of our defensive style.

I think y'all are being reactionary.

I'm not being reactionary. The loss doesn't bother me that much to be honest. This is something that happens win or lose no matter who we play. It's not a duke thing, it's a philosophy thing. That's really the only issue I have with Roy. Him not calling timeouts and weird line ups don't bother me, because he doesn't do that in the tournament. His defensive philosophy stays the same 365 days a year.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I'm not being reactionary. The loss doesn't bother me that much to be honest. This is something that happens win or lose no matter who we play. It's not a duke thing, it's a philosophy thing. That's really the only issue I have with Roy. Him not calling timeouts and weird line ups don't bother me, because he doesn't do that in the tournament. His defensive philosophy stays the same 365 days a year.

Ok. It's just strange to me that people continue to complain about his defensive style when (1) he's been here 15 years and never changed it before and (2) he's won 80% of his games doing it that way. Both of those would lead one to believe that it is what it is and what it is has been pretty damn successful.

 

[tarheel0910]

Ok. It's just strange to me that people continue to complain about his defensive style when (1) he's been here 15 years and never changed it before and (2) he's won 80% of his games doing it that way. Both of those would lead one to believe that it is what it is and what it is has been pretty damn successful.

I'm not saying he hasn't been successful, but as teams become more focused on the three, then it's going to be more difficult to sustain that success. Why not make it easier on yourself? I don't understand why you have such a problem with evolving a coaching philosophy over time. Dean did it on both sides of the ball. What would be so bad about Roy doing it?

 

[heelmanwilm]

i've complained for years that we seldom match their intensity level for this game and it was the case again ladt night. They play like they want it more nearly every time. Noones fault but our own. But no shit every season they put forth their best effort of the season against us. Kudos to them for that. That was their best game by far whereas we've played a half dz with more intensity esp on defense.

But anyway when i saw maye in the starting line up i was pretty certain we would lose and was amazed frankly that we hung as close as we did.

 

[tarheel0910]

i've complained for years that we seldom match their intensity level for this game and it was the case again ladt night. They play like they want it more nearly every time. Noones fault but our own. But no shit every season they put forth their best effort of the season against us. Kudos to them for that. That was their best game by far whereas we've played a half dz with more intensity esp on defense.

I think that comes from Roy. For whatever reason Roy just doesn't seem to have the same intensity level for the duke games as he does for state and tournament games. It is through the roof for those games and the players feed off of that. For duke games his attitude on the sideline seem to be I really hope we win. For state and tournament games his attitude is I'm going to f**k you up if you don't win.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Drive and kick, drive and kick, drive and kick. Same crap vs dook year after year. They ALWAYS have two or three good (sometimes great) outside shooters and we do not close out in time to disrupt their shots.

Here is a stat for ya: Roy is now 11-17 vs dook as the UNC HC. In those 17 losses UNC has been out scored by dook by an average of 24 points behind the arc (including 27 last night). ALL other losses during his time at UNC we've been out scored by an average of 9 points from three. Pattern much?? ADJUST TO THE COMPETITION, how hard is it???

 

[coolwaterunc]

11-17 is absolutely unacceptable

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

The 11-17 isn't great, but its not horrible considering its against what is probably the best coach and team since Roy started coaching at UNC.

The problem is the 3-12 over the last 15. If Roy had evened out his 11-17 record proportionally, it wouldn't be as glaring. The game changed about 7 years ago when this trend started (towards more OAD focused, and a larger reliance on 3's [granted, that has always been pretty crucial to duke teams]) - one coach adapted with the times and the other didn't.

 

[Blue2010]

The 11-17 isn't great, but its not horrible considering its against what is probably the best coach and team since Roy started coaching at UNC.

The problem is the 3-12 over the last 15. If Roy had evened out his 11-17 record proportionally, it wouldn't be as glaring. The game changed about 7 years ago when this trend started (towards more OAD focused, and a larger reliance on 3's [granted, that has always been pretty crucial to duke teams]) - one coach adapted with the times and the other didn't.

I disagree here somewhat. Roy went after Harison Barnes, JMM, etc...and the thought behind a lot of these guys was that they were OAD. Sometimes you don't know how these guys are going to pan out once they hit the next level.

I still believe the issue here is that this game means more to Duke than it does to UNC. Duke always raises their game to another level against UNC...but I feel like UNC plays the same intensity against Duke as they do Florida State, if that makes sense.

The same holds true with the ACCT.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I disagree here somewhat. Roy went after Harison Barnes, JMM, etc...and the thought behind a lot of these guys was that they were OAD. Sometimes you don't know how these guys are going to pan out once they hit the next level.

I still believe the issue here is that this game means more to Duke than it does to UNC. Duke always raises their game to another level against UNC...but I feel like UNC plays the same intensity against Duke as they do Florida State, if that makes sense.

The same holds true with the ACCT.

I agree with your poast. Roy has gotten some players who were expected to be OADs, but not nearly the amount that K (or Cal, or Self, or Miller, etc.) have gotten. And the ones he did get ended up not being OAD (that "blame" is probably shared between the player and the coach).

The game meaning more to Duke than to UNC is almost fully due to the coach. He puts so much intensity into State, if he did that for Duke, the game would mean just as much to our players.

 

[Blue2010]

I agree with your poast. Roy has gotten some players who were expected to be OADs, but not nearly the amount that K (or Cal, or Self, or Miller, etc.) have gotten. And the ones he did get ended up not being OAD (that "blame" is probably shared between the player and the coach).

The game meaning more to Duke than to UNC is almost fully due to the coach. He puts so much intensity into State, if he did that for Duke, the game would mean just as much to our players.

Agreed on both points. Tone at the top is a real thing.

 

[Raising Heel]

My random thoughts after watching the game and skimming this thread (tl;dr version: GFY):

- As many of you have already said, our defense against the drive-and-kick was terrible. That works against a lot of teams, but the one thing K does is recruit guys who can flat out shoot the ball. Kennard and Allen killed us. And honestly, many of their shots were well defended. All you can do is tip your hat.

- Luke played a pretty good game, especially on the offensive end of the floor. He has a really good stroke and I'm comfortable with him shooting anywhere from 21 feet in.

- Loved the energy we got from off the bench (think @TarHeelNation11 mentioned this in-game). We got solid minutes from Pinson obviously, but Bradley, Woods, and Robinson all made contributions. Those guys were all in for a long stretch at the end of the first half and actually stopped a min-run by dook and reclaimed the lead.

- Why did Berry only play 32 minutes? I had the volume down (trying to listen to the radio broadcast). He didn't have his greatest game, but we're better with him on the floor. He needs to be playing 36-38 with breaks coming before TV timeouts IMO.

- My word, Tatum is an embarrassment. He's obviously very skilled, but the way he carries himself on the court and the decisions he makes are cringe-worthy. I haven't watched much of dook this season but have read the criticisms about him auditioning for the NBA. That's no joke. He cost them a couple possessions in the second half with horrible shots.

- Re: streaming the game, my ESPN feed on Sling TV was easily a full minute behind the network broadcast. I've never had that kind of delay before. I switched over to the network broadcast and muted the TV. I listened to the radio broadcast instead, which was actually about 10 seconds behind the network broadcast. That's pretty typical, I've found.

- The ACC's network coverage of the game was terrible. They kept cutting away to the benches, to the crowd, etc. while the effing game was going on. Missed lots of game action as a result. They'd cut back to the game and somebody had just scored but you had no idea what happened based on video alone. That's just piss-poor production quality.

- The older I get, the less I care about this particular game. It's still a loss and it still hurts and it still hurts a little more than losing to Miami or Georgia Tech. But I'm not despondent about it. It is, after all, worth just as many losses as either of those two games. We know what we need to do and this team has all the components to finish the regular season strong. I still think UNC is a no-brainer top 10 team and has a realistic shot of another Final Four appearance.

ETA: Cheez and crackers, what was up with the free throws?!

 

[strummingram]

Personally, I'm more impressed with Roy's record against State than I am depressed about his record against dook.

If we'd had all our guys, we'd have won that game. If we'd hit our free throws, we'd have won even though we didn't have our starting man in Hicks.

Roy Williams is not going to suddenly change his entire philosophy on coaching and basketball strategy now. We just went to the NCAA FF Championship game last year and won the ACC RS and ACC T. I dunno what you guys are expecting, but I'm pretty happy with how well the team has performed over the last 5 years. We haven't gotten the same level talent as dook, and that's just how it is. If you want a coach like shushefskee, go pull for them.

And, I remember tourney losses a helluva lot more than I remember a regular season loss (or win) against dook. It's a regular season game. It doesn't make-or-break anything. I love rivalries, but I'm not losing my shit over those one-game-events in a basketball season.

 

[Blue2010]

My random thoughts after watching the game and skimming this thread (tl;dr version: GFY):


- The older I get, the less I care about this particular game. It's still a loss and it still hurts and it still hurts a little more than losing to Miami or Georgia Tech. But I'm not despondent about it. It is, after all, worth just as many losses as either of those two games. We know what we need to do and this team has all the components to finish the regular season strong. I still think UNC is a no-brainer top 10 team and has a realistic shot of another Final Four appearance.

Going to address this one -- I am the same way. Between kids, work, home life, etc...I just can't get as hyped for a regular season game as I used to. There were times in college, I would blow a complete gasket over this game. My roommate made a comment one time that pissed me off and I picked up the table in front of him and slammed it on the floor, shattering the thing...right then and there.

I think the tipping point for me was the Rivers shot at the buzzer. I was in a hotel with the family watching that and I nearly ripped the TV off the stand and chunked it out of the room. I think I scared my family that night. lol.

I definitely find myself now though just taking everything in stride b/c I know Roy's approach works in March. Let the fans and ESPN overhype the regular season.... let things play out, Roy's approach will give us a shot in the tourney.

 

[coolwaterunc]

Rivers over Zeller was probably the closest I've ever been to becoming a psychopath.