OOTB Carolina Basketball Discussion Thread
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Voicing support for the Silent Sam statue
Funny because it has a lot of truth to it. Don't forget: being conservative.
Right, that's what I was trying to say. He wouldn't be suspended until after the second semester. He would have to be given a warning first.
BTW the whole "Heels are family" thing is bullshit, even when it comes to basketball. Several poasts on premium and on Radar of varying statements like this: "Ain't like we're going to miss him anyway!"
Really...?
Really...?
Cheating.
I don't get @TarHeelNation11's argument that we need to open UNC up to anybody. I went to a more regional UC rather than UCLA or Berkeley because my grades weren't good enough. Why should I have been allowed to go to the top schools?
If you're going to let everyone in, the degree gets devalued. That means the top students will want to go to Duke/UVA/Ivy instead, because they want the differentiated brand to show employers they're better. You can say the world shouldn't be that way (and I agree with you), but the name of the institution you attend has outsized importance in hiring.
Then it becomes a vicious cycle. On the margins the top students pick other schools, so the degree is devalued, so the new marginal top students consider going elsewhere, etc. I don't see how the state or UNC students benefit from that. There are plenty of places to get a quality education in NC. Why can't the state offer a premium option for its best students?
That's interesting. Seems kind of trivial to be kicked out over a traffic violation. To be honest though, my school might have been the same. I don't think I ever read through the whole code.
As I understand the page you linked, you and I are both correct. If it was grades, he would've had to be suspended at the end of the fall semester (December) or the end of the spring semester (May), but definitely not in the middle of a semester.
And yet the statue still stands. Gonna go with a hard no on this one, there are openly conservative groups on campus.
Not at all what I am in favor of / asking for.
It was a comment in jest.
Heels are family...when you don’t thumb your nose at family rules and botch your placement in said family.
"Anybody" was an exaggeration, but you want to significantly lower the standards for admittance.
Which we don't even know he did yet. We gonna act like Ray Felton wasn't arrested for a DUI but kept his spot on the team?
No I don't want to "significantly" lower the standards. I'm simply saying a school shouldn't put all its admission recruitment efforts into how a student can "add value" to the university's ranking vis a vis other peer institutions. Not for undergrad.
I agree with this. I'll also add something that no one has mentioned about choosing a school. Consideration for your major. If I want to be an engineer I'm probably going to go to moo. If I want to do anything else, I'm going to pick UNC.
I've been looking for an opportunity to mention how all of these OAD stars are getting into Duke University.
Being accepted to Duke University is no easy task. I always wonder if being accepted as an ath-uh-leet is easier than if you're applying to be a physicist.
I don’t believe so. And in Lawson’s case, he wasn’t even over the .8 limit. It was simply that he was underage and drinking if I recall correctly.
But even if Lawson’s was a full blown DUI and Ray the same, everything is not equal. When Lawson got his, he had already proven to be a rule follower for two years and pretty good teammate. Never a complaint out of him when he was sitting behind the older and less talented Bobby Frasor.
I chose UNC because I loved the sports teams, and had pulled for them my entire childhood. I had no academic ambition at all. So, after much effort to get accepted and financial aid... I flunked-out because all I wanted to do was party and fvck around. I did get to go to some great games, however... MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
A quick google search doesn’t have Felton with a DUI. He has that weird weapons charge after his wife ratted on him for having a gun in NY or something.
It was more of a dig at The Donald. Basically, it is acceptable behavior if you allow yourself to lower your moral standards because you're defending a politician because you dislike another politician(s).
My bad. I was thinking it was a DUI since he was a UNC point guard.
@gauchoheel you're talking more a good student vs. a bad student, regardless of where they come from. I'm talking more about the socioeconomic profile of a student. I do not believe UNC (or any state-funded university) should accept more than a handful of international students as undergrad. I just don't.
Grad school..........totally different. For graduate students, a university wants to take the best, regardless of where they came from. That's where a university derives a lot of its prestige, research prowess, etc.
In a nutshell, my view is UNC should continue its in-state 82% rule (that won't change, I hope), and with that other 18%, I would love it if they refrained from taking many (or any) international students, and instead gave all opportunities to American applicants, and specifically to Southern applicants (this last part is just selfish of me, and doesn't really add anything other than it's the cultural type I want to see in the university's student body).
I'm gonna end my discussion of that topic here because there's many other topics being discussed ITT. I will let you have the last word.
Grad school..........totally different. For graduate students, a university wants to take the best, regardless of where they came from. That's where a university derives a lot of its prestige, research prowess, etc.
In a nutshell, my view is UNC should continue its in-state 82% rule (that won't change, I hope), and with that other 18%, I would love it if they refrained from taking many (or any) international students, and instead gave all opportunities to American applicants, and specifically to Southern applicants (this last part is just selfish of me, and doesn't really add anything other than it's the cultural type I want to see in the university's student body).
I'm gonna end my discussion of that topic here because there's many other topics being discussed ITT. I will let you have the last word.
Really? Your responses seem quite explicit in wanting to lower the standards:
I don't really know what to say because all of those statements are about lowering the standards. Bringing in more students with low scores IS lowering the standards. It brings down the average scores and rankings, making UNC a less attractive destination for top students (and faculty).
On Radar you also said most of the 18% of NC-resident students should come from the South, since we are a Southern university. This would also significantly decrease standards, because you're artificially restricting the applicant pool. Compounding that, international students typically have higher average scores than even out-of-state students, so you're limiting entrance from some of the most capable students. As an indirect factor I suspect some people value having a sizable international student presence on campus, so if UNC became an outlier in regards to being highly US-centric that would further turn away some quality applicants/admits.
I struggle to see what the value of these measures would be? UNC is ranked lower in this scenario with fewer top students attending here. What do we gain in return, and is it worth the tradeoff?
EDIT: You asked my opinion so I'll add, while admitting what my incentives are. As a future alum I want to protect the value of my degree, so I support upholding strict admittance standards to maintain the ranking and prestige. As we've discussed I think there are numerous other benefits to doing that too. I am not going to be a long-term North Carolina resident so I am ambivalent on the 82% rule. On the one hand it totally makes sense to help residents/taxpayers in your own state, but UNC could have an even more talented student body if the number was dropped to 70% (UVA's rate) or even 57% (Michigan's) in-state students. Ultimately, I understand the rule though it doesn't really serve my interests well.
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Actually, at UNC depending on how many hours he took first semester, if he failed enough classes, he could move right on to being suspended.
@TarHeelNation11 would like the standards lower because that would make it easier for him to hook up with the ladies. I hope this clears things up.
Now it all makes sense...@TarHeelNation11 would like the standards lower because that would make it easier for him to hook up with the ladies. I hope this clears things up.
Ok, per that page that I linked it looked like you were put on probation first. They did mention hours taken as well, so maybe it could happen if it was some combination of the two? I can't see that being the case though. I'm assuming he has to take a certain amount to maintain NCAA eligibility.
If @TarHeelNation11's standards were that a girl had to have a college education, he would still be a virgin with a face like that.@TarHeelNation11 would like the standards lower because that would make it easier for him to hook up with the ladies. I hope this clears things up.
The minimum for NCAA eligibility is 12 credit hours (same at UNC) and if he failed 2 classes, he wouldn't have had the minimum hours to stay in good standing at UNC, and likely would not have had the minimum GPA. You can go from good standing to suspended on that combo.
Totally get your opinion and I'm sure a lot of people share that view. But a graduate program is much different than an undergrad degree. Regardless, I've never been worried about my degree losing value. Anyone who worried about it during the AFAM scandal is dumb, IMO (unless, of course, their degree actually was in AFAM).
In all my poasts you quoted, I'm talking UNC "falling" from like #3 to #10. I'm not talking about falling from #3 to #333 or anything like that. A university should strive to want a well-rounded student body, not just the "smartest" student body. IMHO (again, opinion), UNC has a diversity issue. Not in race, but in culture and political thought. I realize it seems like I'm jumping around from topic to topic, but it's a multi-faceted thing. I don't just want UNC to have the smartest. I also want them to truly live up to their values of striving for diversity of thought. Something they do not have now, in their faculty or in the student body. The climate of the university doesn't promote true diversity of thought. It promotes progressive/liberal ideals. You can see it even in Chancellor Folt's periodic emails to the student body / alumni, which I still receive and read.
I didn't say she had to be able to see.
